Hi!

Seems to be hard case. Really, only way to see what and why happen is to go through that document. Long time ago our company has ms word template (roots goes to word 6.0) to write business plans. We used and improved it (everybody who worked with that document added his own formatting elements) up to version word 2k. Documents created on the base of this template started to crash more and more often and finally I rewrite text using paste as text function, removing every formatting element and newly created styles and finally rewrite it again in ooo writer. Later I added formatting elements vary carefully. There no problems now with TOC, blank pages and pagination, except that windows and linux versions of documents always differs by letter size, but it also isn't real problem, because I can change a bit default fonts and everything will be fine. I think the biggest problem is that people are trying to use writer as publishing software. One reason for insertion blank pages is conflicting page or paragraph styles. Another, more realistic, are pictures and frames anchored to page not as character. At least I found it in several documents created by my colleges. This problem is vary common also in ms word documents up to the latest versions. This could be the reason also for strange TOC behavior.

Andis

Rick Bilonick wrote:
I've read the thread (tables et al) and decided to try the same. I only
inserted a few pics into the frames, saved (odt), exported to PDF etc.
All worked fine (2.1 linux from OOo site). So it could be a memory issue
OOo memory problem? You might check Options|OpenOffice.org|Memory & try
changing the cache settings.

Also, I did also test the saving to a MS Word doc; if the graphic is
inserted directly on the page, the graphic comes back in the Word doc,
but is resized to a single line in the left side of the graphic frame.
It can be stretched back to size in the *graphic* frame, but it seems
odd that it would get shrunk like that.
  The graphic inserted into the frame (your method) has dissapeared
completely. The frame is still there, the caption is still there
(although it needs to be reoriented in the frame), but the graphic is
gone. That appears to be the
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=25756 bug also showing
up in linux OOo as well.
However, if the graphic inserted into the frame is anchored "As
Character", the graphic *is* preserved in the frame when saved as a MS
Word document. Unfortunately it gets shrunk down to a single line size
the same as the directly inserted graphic does so you have to go and
resize them all.

I did note something that seems odd (to me); when I reopened the saved
odt doc, the graphic in the frame could be moved outside of the frame
even though the graphic is anchored to the frame. Now technically the
graphic *is* anchored to the frame, because I can move the frame and the
graphic located *outside* the frame moves with it. So, I'm wondering if
perhaps when you move the frame, the graphic is not moving with it. Try
anchoring as a character instead.

I also note that inserting a graphic into a table seems to have it's own
problems as well... While the graphic can be easily put into the table,
you can't drag a table around the document to position or move it like
you can a frame or a inserted graphic.

Perhaps the safest method is to link to the graphic as Tim Wescott suggests.

I did not have these problems with documents under 125 pages. The
document I'm having problems with is about 350 pages with about 90
frames/pics (and a huge number of tables, some in frames, and a large
number of listings [text in frames]).

I just discovered the memory controls so I've greatly increased these. I
also installed OOo 2.1 (from the OOo website) onto a dual Opteron 64-bit
system with 2gb of memory (and 2gb of swap). I increased OOo's memory
usage for graphics. Still I see several pics disappearing BUT now if I
resize or something similar they re-appear.

But another problem arises - if I do a preview, the number of pages
changes - blank pages are inserted (even though I disabled blank page
insertion everywhere I can). If I preview, then do nothing to the
document and preview again, the number of blank pages increases further.

(Another problem I've found not with just this document but any document
that has a TOC is that for some strange reason PDF export does not work
correctly - the type/fonts looks funny/distorted/badly kerned in
numerous places (for example, the periods are misaligned in the TOC -
the ones that run from the headings to the page numbers and the periods
also run into the page numbers. To get around this problem (and the
unstoppable insertion of blank pages) one I have the document ready I
print it to a postscript file (printing does not seem to trigger
re-pagination). Then I use ps2pdf to create a pdf - all the text looks
like it should. I can't swear that this problem is connected to TOC
insertion but it only seems to happen in documents I use a TOC and the
document can be just a few pages.

I opened an issue about the disappearing graphics and they have
requested me to send my document. My document is confidential at the
moment so I'm hoping I can count on them not to disclose the document.

I'm not sure whether I should try to change all the graphics to links
and/or to try to split the document into chapters and then use a master
document approach. I'm not sure if any of this will help.

Rick B.


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