Sorry I didn't mean to upset anyone, it was an observation from a
user, whether it is factually correct or not wasn't the point. It is
the way some users feel, which I think is important.
I think you have a point when you say communicating because to me it
seems that communication may sometimes be the problem (I think this
is a more effective way of my saying that the community has an
agenda. By community I mean the people actually writing the code to
make OOo work). To pick an example issue 24969 has been open for at
least three years, has 221 votes and the milestone is still OO later.
I don't think the user is being listened to as much as they could be.
Like I said I know this is a pretty black and white view on things
and that the OOo project is a fantastic work in progress and I don't
want to put anyone who works on it down. I also realise that bug
fixing is more important than enhancements for the most part.
In the spirit of actually doing something to help rather than sitting
back and criticising (everyone's a critic as they say), is there any
way, other than the 'developers' viewing this list, of communicating
what people ask for on the mailing list to the people who can affect
change? As we all know the issue tracking system leaves some users
rather confused and although it works, maybe some of the issues are
slightly underrepresented in terms of number of votes compared to the
amount of traffic they produce as many people can't or can't be
bothered to vote/file an issue.
Anyway I'm going on and on and ovviously have too much time on my
hands. If there is any way to achieve the above then please let me
know. (I suppose one way would be to add a comment on the issue each
time a message about that issue is received on the mailing list with
a link to the message).
Tom
(oh and I see from issue 8938 that the wps thing is nearing
completion :) )
On 8 Apr 2007, at 12:10, Manfred J. Krause wrote:
Hi,
Tom Chilton wrote:
I think it is a shame when things like this happen in a way.
I don't see it in this manner. Why a 'shame'?
IMHO it's a 'progress'
- based on the characteristic of OOo (and OSS generally) that
everybody can enhance it (provided the know-how),
- also based on a 'communicating and communizing' community, where
users, as many as possible, see themselves as members (in the broader
sense) and try to contribute (in varied ways).
People ask over and over on this list for the ability to open .wps
files, but the community seems to have its own agenda so somebody
else comes up with it.
Nearly everybody (see thread; I myself too) thought:
There's no way in OOo itself.
What's 'community' and 'somebody else'?
Where is the end of 'the one' and the beginning of 'the other'?
Where are the boundery lines?
IMHO it would be fatal, to equate the community and the development
of OOo with 'the members' or 'the developers' of OOo.
Then people ask to open .docx files and somebody else comes up
with it (NeoOffice) then somebody asks for VBA and some.... anyway
I think you see where I'm going with this. I appreciate that OOo
have done all the hard work and these mavericks just add one or
two features but it shows its possible and I think it is a shame.
It isn't easy, to find all these features (and all the bugs, too) ;-)
All are invited to do.
And when you're looking at all existing issues regarding OOo - then
you'll see: there's no other way than to have an 'agenda' - voting
for some issues may accelerate the process for some of them ...
One question though for people in the know... Doesn't the GPL
(which OOo source is released under) state that anyone can modify
the source of OOo as long as this modified source is made
available to the community? I've not checked but I presume that
the source to the PCLinuxOS OOo is available, and so couldn't it
quite easily be incorporated into OpenOffice?
After the discussion here, IMHO it could be a very good idea, to
open an issue (enhancement).
(There are many, mostly inexperienced users, who are asking for the
specific how-to in the mailing-lists (and those, who are asking
there, are only a minority of all who are concerned).
I've probably missed the point somewhere...
Tom
[...]
Manfred
No, OpenOffice will not open works files. Only works will.
So why (in 2.1) when I go to File-Open in Writer, is there an
option in the Filter Drop-down box for Microsoft WORKS files
then?
I also have OpenOffice.org 2.1, and there is no WORKS option in
the file format drop down box. I've checked over and over again.
Where is it? Can you please tell me what is above and beneath it?
OpenOffice.org 2.1, Windows XP SP2
I'm using 2.1.7 cvs on PCLinuxOS
It's between Microsoft Word 2003 XML and Pocket Word.....
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