On Thu, 2007-05-24 at 20:40 -0600, Pueblo Native wrote:

> Daniel Kasak wrote:
> > On Thu, 2007-05-24 at 20:40 -0500, Thomas W. Cranston wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Maybe the open source community should start patenting every conceivable 
> >> thing as well.
> >>
> >> I have worked with patent applications in the past, and the big boys 
> >> apply for a patent for their idea, as well as every conceivable 
> >> variation on that theme. We should do the same.
> >>     
> >
> > It costs money to do that, and in the process validates the whole
> > concept of software patents. I think a better approach is to fight for a
> > rejection of all software patents.
> >
> >   
> 
> I don't think it so much as validates the idea of software patents as it
> does make whoever is doing this look like a moron.

Well, I agree that from *our* perspective, patent-hoarding looks stupid,
but on the other hand, it sends a conflicting message to others who
aren't necessarily as clear as us on the patent situation. ie some
people could come to the conclusion that it's not software patents
*generally* that are bad; it's just *individual* patents that are bad,
and that 'good' patents could be used as a defense against 'bad'
patents. This however is not the case. When things get to court, the
party with the biggest army of lawyers and bribed politicans wins.
Open-source developers have neither lawyers nor politicians in their
back pockets, and should instead unite around the worthy goal of
destroying software patents completely.

To summarize the point: we need a clear, consistent approach and
arguement that can win over other people who haven't yet made their
minds up about software patents.

> Patents have taken a rather sharp turn for the ridiculous, much like
> copyrights (how being able to monopolize any work for life + 75 under
> the Mickey Mouse Protection Act benefits the public is beyond me).   
> Even if you support the idea of patents generally, there has to be some
> specificity in them (not to mention timeliness in actually "protecting"
> that patent).

I agree with you 100% here. And your example of the Mickey Mouse
Protection Act, which no doubt came courtesy of the 'Senator from
Disney' ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Hollings ) underscores my
point above about our weakness in this area.

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Daniel Kasak
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