I HAVEN'WROTE THE MESSAGE HEREUNDER .
PLEASE CHECK THE SENDER .
I CAN'T BEAR BEING CHARGED UNDULY!
jcmahinc
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From: "NoOp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:55 PM
Subject: [users] Re: Donation Issues
On 07/01/2007 11:54 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
On 02/07/07, Al Balmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 01:00:46 +0100, Harold Fuchs
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If you look carefully at the text on the donation page just above
where it says "Update Totals" you will see it says "EUR". That's
short for
Gratuitous insults do not advance your argument.
You seem to be deliberately missing the point, which is that it's
perfectly possible to accept donations in whatever currency it is
offered. For some odd reason, you wish to place the burden on the
donor. As I said, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. (I'll
explain that idiom if needed.)
BTW, contrary to your belief, many countries accept foreign
currency. When dealing with vendors from other countries, it is my
experience that they are happy to provide pricing in USD.
-- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ
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I don't wish to place the burden anywhere. The fact it says Euros
on the
web page places the burden on the donor. It is *not* normally
possible to buy/donate in a foreign currency. If I want to send my
foreign mother-in-law money in her currency I have to make special
arrangements and pay extra. If I want to buy US goods I have to pay
in Dollars.
In addition, the exchange rate in force at the time the donor donates
is irrelevant. The exchange rate used will be the one in force at the
time the bank or credit card company debits the donor's account which
could be several days or even weeks in the future. The same is true
when I travel abroad and use my credit card or withdraw cash from a
hole-in-the-wall machine. I can buy travellers' cheques in advance
but (a) it's a dwindling market and (b) I pay a premium. Also fewer
and fewer shops accept them because of the risk.
Actually I believe it is quite possible for OOo to receive donations in
whatever currency the donor wishes to send. When you click the Paypal
link, at the bottom of the page is the 'User Agreement'. It states:
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3. Sending Money.
[snip]
3.11 Sending Money in Multiple Currencies. You may send money in U.S.
Dollars, Canadian Dollars, Euros, Pounds Sterling, Yen, Australian
Dollars, Czech Koruna, Danish Krone, Hong Kong Dollar, Hungarian Forint,
New Zealand Dollar, Norwegian Krone, Polish Zloty, Singapore Dollar,
Swedish Krona and Swiss Franc. When you are sending money to a merchant
who has requested a currency that is different than your primary
currency, you will need to specify whether you want to pay the merchant
in the merchant’s requested currency, or in your primary currency (in
some cases, the merchant may not give you a choice). If you send money
in a currency that is not your primary currency, we follow these
practices:
a. If you have a Balance in the requested currency, we will fund your
transaction from your Balance.
b. If you have a Balance in a different currency, we will perform a
currency conversion and use it to fund your transaction.
c. If you do not have a Balance, we will fund your transaction
through your Default Funding Sources.
d. If you are using your PayPal ATM/Debit Card or PayPal Virtual
Debit Card your transaction will be funded with your U.S. dollar
Balance, even if you have a Balance in another currency. Any required
currency conversion will be performed by Visa, MasterCard, or a similar
third party and may be subject to a fee by that third party.
The Exchange Rate & Fee in section 8 of this Agreement will apply
whenever PayPal performs a currency conversion.
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4. Receiving Money.
[snip]
4.8 Receiving Money in Multiple Currencies. You do not need to maintain
a Balance in a particular currency to accept payments sent in that
currency. If you already maintain a Balance in the currency in which you
receive a payment, we will credit all payments received in that currency
to your Balance. If you receive a payment in a currency for which you do
not have a Balance, the payment will remain pending and we will ask you
to manually accept or deny the payment unless you have a Premier or
Business Account and have already established a preference in your
Profile to automatically accept payments in that currency.
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Given that it's a donation rather than a payment, IMNSHO the onus should
be on the recipient of the 'donation' rather than the 'donor' to suffer
the currency exchange. Give that OOo users are from many different
countries and may not wish to risk, or not be able to afford a currency
surcharge, why not just reset the account to accept whatever currency
the donor sends in?
If I am purchasing something from a merchant in another country, then I
can expect to bear the burden of the currency exchange. However, if I am
making a 'donation', then the recipient should be gracious enough to
accept whatever I provide *after* the exchange conversion to their
local/preferred currency.
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