** Reply to message from "ccornell - OpenOffice.org" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
on Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:22:13 +0200

> > But this is still not using the CTL facility of OOo. The "Enabled for CTL: 
> > is
> > still greyed out (and checked), and I have not been able to find a way to
> > switch between "Western" and CTL languages. It might help me if I knew what
> > action _should_ toggle between the two. Since only two languages are 
> > involved,
> > I would have expected the same behavior as that used in other OSes, namely
> > Right<Alt+Shift> goes to CTL and Left<Alt+Shift> goes to "Western".
> 
> 
> I asked a few people here in the office and got an answer regarding the 
> greyed out check box.  Here is Stephan's reply....
> 
> ---------------
> Stefan Baltzer wrote:
>  > Hi!
>  >
>  > Note that currently OOo 2.2.1 is available and we are currently
>  > about to release OOo 2.3 soon (below, OOo 2.04 was named).
>  >
>  > When the Office is started in a Hebrew or Arabic locale, then the CTL
>  > support can not be switched off (Box is checked and greyed out).
>  >
>  > The purpose is that the users shall not mistakingly disable
>  > the support (CTL) they will very likely need some time (because
>  > of the locale).
>  >
>  > So if you start your office in a non-CTL locale (i.e. en_US), then the
>  > check box will be enabled again. But there is no point to uncheck it
>  > if you want to write in Hebrew from time to to time. CTL support
>  > "only" brings up a few more controls (Format-Character-Font) or lint
>  > box entries (i.e. text direction in Format-Page-Tab "page", Box "text
>  > direction". Note that in  Format-Paragraph-Alignment-Properties-Text
>  > direction, the selection "use superordinate settings" enherits the
>  > text direction from the page style. Only for "mixed documents", this
>  > should be set there t  have LTR and RTL paragraphs on one page. But
>  > most users tend to use the "hard setting" with the text direction
>  > buttons in the Writer main menu bar.
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  > Stefan
> 

Many thanks, Clayton, for your efforts. Please pass on my thanks to Stefan as
well.

My concern about the greyed-out CTL checkbox is now relieved; part of my
problem was that the meaning of being greyed-out was mysterious. It would not
be amiss, by the way, to insert a remark into the CTL paragraphs of the Help
system, mentioning WHY the box is greyed.

Beyond that, it is becoming clear to me that I expected more of CTL than it is
designed to deliver. Specifically, I was looking for a way (WITHIN OOo) to
toggle between "Western" and CTL texts. I now understand that the ONLY way to
switch between the two is the method of the OS itself -- in the case of
openSuSE, that is the language applet in the panel on which one clicks to
expose the national flag of successive languages. I would be grateful if you or
Stefan could confirm this new understanding for me. Now that I understand it,
it makes perfect sense, and I now understand that my 'great problem" has been a
Fata Morgana from the beginning -- OOo is doing exactly what it is intended to
do.

Than you again, and thanks also to others here who offered comment...

-- 
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

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