On 05/30/2008 05:59 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
> At 15:16 30/05/2008 -0700, Alan C. Baird wrote:
>>I created a screenplay template for MSWord 2002 and wrote a short 
>>10-page script - the .doc file was 56Kb.
>>
>>Then I created a screenplay template for OpenOffice.org Writer 2.4 
>>and pasted the same text into it - the resulting .odt file was 17Kb. Great!
>>
>>Afterwards, I created a PDF of the .doc file at 
>>http://createpdf.adobe.com - using Adobe's default settings, the 
>>.doc-PDF file was 17Kb. Finally, I created a PDF of the .odt file 
>>with OOo Writer 2.4 - using the default Export settings, that 
>>.odt-PDF file was 48Kb. Oof.
> 
> I'm not an expert in these matters, but here is an idea.
> 
> Word processor files generally do not include a definition of the 
> fonts they use.  PDF files do.  Unless you asked Microsoft Word to 
> embed the fonts, your .doc file would simply have named the fonts it 
> needed at different points; likewise, Writer's .odt file would not 
> contain any font definitions.  When these document files are opened 
> on remote systems, the fonts used for displaying or printing them are 
> similarly named fonts present on that system, or appropriate fonts 
> determined by its font substitution table.
> 
> When you made PDF versions of these documents, (subsets of) 
> appropriate fonts would have been included in them.  But the fonts 
> included in your first example would presumably have been provided by 
> the Adobe web site, whereas the fonts included in the second example 
> would have been imported by Writer from your own system.  These would 
> in general be different fonts (albeit with the same names) and could 
> even be different types of font - perhaps of very different 
> sizes.  Are the .doc and .odt documents otherwise identical, in 
> fact?  Is it possible that you have a rogue character in another font 
> in your Writer version, requiring the PDF to contain another 
> font?  (Remember that character attributes such as bold and italic 
> are actually indicators of alternative fonts.)
> 
> If you open your PDFs in Adobe Reader and go to File | Properties... 
> | Fonts, you can see what is embedded in each.
> 

Nah, I think that Alan has a valid point.

To test I switched to Windows and using a 644KB OOo document I saved to
PDF using the following:

1. OOo. Size = 994.1KB using OOo 3.0 Beta using PDF/A1
2. OOo. Size = 997KB using OOo 3.0 Beta (these are M14's) standard, no
bookmarks.
3. OOo. Size = 435.2KB  using OOo 2.4.0 (note that this is smaller than
the original .ott of 644KB
4. Print to Adobe Acrobat 6.0 Professional = 85.6KB
5. Print to PDFCreator = 109KB

o The PDFCreator pdf shows Helvetica and Times Roman fonts.
o The OOo 2.4.0 shows Helvetica, ZapFdingbats, ArialMT ArialBoldMT,
ArialItalicMT, TimesNewRomanPSMT
o The OOo 3.0 Beta shows the same fonts as the 2.4.0
o Adobe Acrobat shows the same as the OOo 2.4.0.



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