Hello Julien,

I appreciate that you try to help me reach my underlying objective. Still I am not interested in ANCOVA proposed by Caniou (despite some advantages it has), rather in a Rosenblatt transformation of dependent variables into independent uniform ones in order to conduct then a PCE so that one immediately receives mean and variance of the target model.

That's why I wonder how the in Openturns implemented Rosenblatt transformation works, e. g. is it implemented only for some distinctive known probabilities or uses it some kind of a kde obtained from a arbitrary sample set.

Regards,
Simon


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ANCOVA is definitely what you are looking for, read again.

If you use a PCE with the correlated data you'll get a correct sobol
decomposition in the decorrelated input spaces through the
iso-probabilistic transformation unfortunately these indices wont mean
anything in terms of the actual original variables.

j

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Hello Julien,

thank you for your reply.
I should have mentioned in first place that I have read the paper on 
ANCOVA based on PCE. As far as I understood one neglects there the 
(necessary) assumption of independency of the input vectors in the PCE.
I am rather interested  in an approach where you define a specific 
ordering of the variables and make them independent. Can you provide 
me  a short example how the implemented Rosenblatt transformation is 
supposed to work? Does it only worked the way it is implemented for 
some known distributions or incorporates it a kernel density 
estimation of a arbitrary data set?

Thank you,
Simon

PS: Sorry for the fragmentary subject

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Hello Simon,

Please have a look at the ANCOVA algorithm.

Julien

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Hello,

with one of the four implemented "SobolIndicesAlgorithm"s one can 
compute the Sobol coefficients for a function with independent inputs.
Am I correct that there's no direct method implemented to calculate 
these coefficients for dependent input variables?

To cope with dependent inputs one could apply the well-known 
Rosenblatt transformation before the sensitivity analysis. I saw that 
there are already isoprobabilistic transformations implemented, but 
from the documentation I couldn't figure out how exactly they are 
meant to work (the theory, however, I do understand) and therefore 
also how to use them. Maybe you could provide me a short example or 
explain briefly how to generate a independent input vector with the 
help of the implemented Rosenblatt transformation?

I would appreciate your help on these two questions.

Thank you,
Simon Rittel

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