can you attach the engine log and the vdsm log from the second host?

The SPM cannot be released because the master storage domain is not visible from the second host.

Dafna



On 04/11/2014 02:38 PM, James James wrote:
I try to follow the Daria's advices ..
I restarted my engine to clear the cache ....

but now I am facing a new problem. node1 is the SPM and I have this error message
:

Manual fence did not revoke the selected SPM (node1) since the master storage domain
 was not active or could not use another host for the fence operation.


....


2014-04-11 15:16 GMT+02:00 Dafna Ron <d...@redhat.com <mailto:d...@redhat.com>>:

    I think there might be a chance it's related to issues we were
    seeing with engine cache.

    James, would you mind testing that? restart of ovirt-engine
    process should clear the cache.
    once you restart, log in to the webadmin and if the host is still
    spm and none responsive, can you try confirm host reboot again?

    If that still fails, can you please attach the engine log?

    Thanks.
    Dafna






    On 04/11/2014 02:13 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:

        On 04/11/2014 04:10 PM, James James wrote:

            Nothing new.  node1 can't release SPM ... :(


        allon/federico - thoughts? confirm host shutdown should
        release SPM for a non-responsive node



            2014-04-11 14:49 GMT+02:00 Dafna Ron <d...@redhat.com
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                confirm host has been rebooted should release the SPM :)



                On 04/11/2014 01:23 PM, James James wrote:




                    2014-04-11 14:08 GMT+02:00 Dafna Ron
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                         James, Please answer the user's list as well
            as to me so that
                         other people can participate as well :)


                    Oups ... I will do that ..



                         did you try to press the "confirm host has
            been rebooted"
                      (right
                         click)


                    Yes but same problem. node1 cannot be in
            maintenance mode.

                    node1 is SPM . I will make node1 release the SPM
            ressource.



                         On 04/11/2014 12:41 PM, James James wrote:




                             2014-04-11 13:16 GMT+02:00 Dafna Ron
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                                 what is the error message you get
            when you try to
                    put the
                             host in
                                 maintenance?

                             I have this message :


                             Error while executing action: Cannot
            switch Host to
                             Maintenance mode.
                             Host is Storage Pool Manager and is in
            Non Responsive
                    state.
                             - If power management is configured,
            engine will try to
                    fence
                             the host automatically.
                             - Otherwise, either bring the node back
            up, or release
                    the SPM
                             resource.
                             To do so, verify that the node is really
            down by right
                             clicking on the host and confirm that the
            node was shutdown
                             manually.



                                 are there any running vm's reported?


                             No there is no VM running on this host



                                 Try to press the "confirm host has
            been rebooted"
                    button
                             and than
                                 see if you can put the host in
            maintenance.

                                 If that fails, select the host, in
            the general tab you
                             will get
                                 the re-install link.



                             I am running ovirt 3.4.0-1. I down't know
            where is the
                             re-install link but I can't see it.

                                 try to re-install, when install fails
            the host
                    should change
                                 status to failed installation.




                                 On 04/11/2014 12:09 PM, James James
            wrote:

                                     No, I can't ....


                                     2014-04-11 12:12 GMT+02:00 Dafna Ron
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                                         can you put the host in
            maintenance?




                                         On 04/11/2014 10:43 AM, James
            James wrote:

                                             I can't delete the old
            node because it
                    is in Non
                                     Responsive
                                             state. The remove button
            is stil blank .

                                             In the engine.log I've
            got this log :
                                             2014-04-11 11:40:45,911 ERROR

            
[org.ovirt.engine.core.__vdsbroker.vdsbroker.__GetCapabilitiesVDSCommand]
            (DefaultQuartzScheduler___Worker-88)
                    Command
            GetCapabilitiesVDSCommand(__HostName =
                    node1,
                             HostId =
            36fb6df3-c2c2-4133-86ac-__fe50b99ee2e3,
                             vds=Host[node1])
                                             execution failed. Exception:
                    VDSNetworkException:

            sun.security.provider.__certpath.__SunCertPathBuilderException:
                                             unable to find valid
            certification path to
                             requested
                                     target
                                             2014-04-11 11:40:48,943 ERROR

            
[org.ovirt.engine.core.__vdsbroker.vdsbroker.__GetCapabilitiesVDSCommand]
            (DefaultQuartzScheduler___Worker-12)
                    Command
            GetCapabilitiesVDSCommand(__HostName =
                    node1,
                             HostId =
            36fb6df3-c2c2-4133-86ac-__fe50b99ee2e3,
                             vds=Host[node1])
                                             execution failed. Exception:
                    VDSNetworkException:

            sun.security.provider.__certpath.__SunCertPathBuilderException:
                                             unable to find valid
            certification path to
                             requested
                                     target





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                                                 > Sent: Friday, April
            11, 2014
                    12:04:23 PM
                                                 > Subject: Re:
            [ovirt-users] Re-add
                    a node
                                                 >
                                                 > The engine is the
            same but the node
                             (node1) has been
                                             reinstalled ...

                                                 So you need to re-add
            it to the engine.
                                                 Delete the old node
            at engine side
                    and use the
                                     node user
                                             interface
                                                 to add it to the engine.

                                                 >
                                                 >
                                                 > 2014-04-11 10:48
            GMT+02:00 James
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                                                 >
                                                 >
                                                 >
                                                 > the log contains
            information
                    about the
                             first node1
                                             installation ....
                                                 >
                                                 >
            http://pastebin.com/mZSb2wmD
                                                 >
                                                 >
                                                 > 2014-04-11 10:12
            GMT+02:00 Dafna
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                                                 >
                                                 >
                                                 >
                                                 > please add the
            host-deploy log from
             /var/log/ovirt-engine/host-
                                                 deploy/
                                                 >
                                                 >
                                                 > On 04/11/2014 12:11
            AM, James
                    James wrote:
                                                 >
                                                 >
                                                 >
                                                 > Hi,
                                                 > I don know i the
            subject is explicit
                             enough but
                                     I have a
                                             problem
                                                 and I hope
                                                 > to find some help here.
                                                 >
                                                 > I had two hosts in
            my cluster
                    (node1 and
                             node2).
                                     I had to
                                                 reinstall node1 due
                                                 > to some networks
            problem. In the
                    engine,
                             node1
                                     appears
                                             now "Not
                                                 reponsive"
                                                 > and I can't remove
            it from the
                    engine ui.
                                                 >
                                                 > Now node1 is back
            and I want to
                    add it
                             in the
                                     cluster but I
                                                 can't. I've got
                                                 > this error (vdsm.log) :
                                                 >
            BindingXMLRPC::ERROR::2014-04- 11
                    01 <tel:2014-04-%2011%2001>
                             <tel:2014-04-%2011%2001>
             <tel:2014-04-%2011%2001>
                             <tel:2014-04-%2011%2001>
            <tel:2014-04-%2011%2001>:04:__42,622::BindingXMLRPC::

                                                 >
            81::vds::(threaded_start) xml-rpc
                             handler exception
                                                 > Traceback (most
            recent call last):
                                                 > File "/usr/share/vdsm/
                             BindingXMLRPC.py", line
                                     77, in
                                             threaded_start
                                                 >
            self.server.handle_request()
                                                 > File
            "/usr/lib64/python2.6/
                             SocketServer.py",
                                     line 278, in
                                                 handle_request
                                                 >
            self._handle_request_noblock()
                                                 > File
            "/usr/lib64/python2.6/
                             SocketServer.py",
                                     line 288, in
                                                 > _handle_request_noblock
                                                 > request,
            client_address =
                    self.get_request()
                                                 > File
            "/usr/lib64/python2.6/
                             SocketServer.py",
                                     line 456, in
                                                 get_request
                                                 > return
            self.socket.accept()
                                                 > File
            "/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-
                             packages/vdsm/
             SecureXMLRPCServer.py", line
                                                 > 136, in accept
                                                 > raise
            SSL.SSLError("%s, client
                    %s" % (e,
                                     address[0]))
                                                 > SSLError: sslv3
            alert certificate
                             unknown, client
                                             192.168.1.100
                                                 >
                                                 > 192.168.1.100 is
            the engine's address
                                                 >
                                                 > Can somebody help me ?
                                                 >
                                                 >
                                                 >
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