On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 12:46 AM, Arman Khalatyan <arm2...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just tested the new 4.2, looks new shiny UI, thanks.
>
> I would like to join to Jiris statement, ovirt should become more
> stable, clean and useful.
> The right or left clicks  or UI designs, mobile friendly or not,those
> futures are the secondary tasks for me.
> For those who would like to manage the vms from the mobile devices
> they can use mOvirt app.
> I wish that the development team will concentrate on the main
> advertised futures to make them stable.
> as a user I wish that the following points can make it stronger:
> - please make a ovirt as a  FULL HA solution
> - one of the weak points of the ovirt is a spm, this should go away in
> the first point, not the right click one:).
>

This is a bit more complex than you assume.


> - hosts management like a foreman, but without foreman.
>

This makes no sense whatsoever. We'd like to integrate with best of breed
projects, not replace them.


> - strong solution with a multirail HA storage
>

I'm not familiar with the term - can you expand on this?


> - move hosts complete to disk-less infrastructure, easy to scale-up
>

Boot from SAN for example?


> - scheduled backup solution integrated in the gui/api
>

Again, I assume a separate utility can probably do a better job.


> - reasonable reports,( similar like dwd in 3.6)
>

Metrics are in the works with Elastic and Kibana. DWH is still there.


> Most of the points are almost done, but we have always hire or there
> half-solved problems.
>

Patches are welcome, of course.
Y.


>
>
> Greetings from Potsdam,
> Arman.
>
> PS
> an Ovirt user since 3.x
> 8hosts >50Vms
> 4hosts > 6VMS
> 10G,IB,RDMA.
> looking to deploy ovirt on a cluster environment on user demand.
>
> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Jiří Sléžka <jiri.sle...@slu.cz> wrote:
> > On 10/31/2017 06:57 PM, Oved Ourfali wrote:
> >> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You
> >> see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't
> >> considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline
> >> (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).
> >>
> >> We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high
> demand.
> >
> > I'm using right click time to time, but for me is much more important
> > clean, simple and compatible UI. Especially if this means it will be
> > possible to simple select and copy any text or log messages from UI.
> > This is my biggest pain when interacting with manager.
> >
> > Cheers, Jiri
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks for the feedback!
> >> Oved
> >>
> >> On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <bu...@onholyground.com
> >> <mailto:bu...@onholyground.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
> >>     miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but
> >>     I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease
> >>     of use on Desktop over Mobile!
> >>
> >>
> >>>     ------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
> >>>     *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.fredi...@upx.com
> >>>     <mailto:fernando.fredi...@upx.com>>
> >>>     *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release
> >>>     is now available for testing
> >>>     *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
> >>>     *To:* users@ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?
> >>>>>     Because,
> >>>>>     currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
> >>>>>     interact with
> >>>>>     object (migrate, maintenance...)
> >>>>>
> >>>>     Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
> >>>>
> >>>>     Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
> >>>>     - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while
> >>>>     its not 100%
> >>>>     there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.
> >>>>     Mobile devices
> >>>>     don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would
> >>>>     make no
> >>>>     sense.
> >>>     Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile
> >>>     usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day
> >>>     operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and
> >>>     manage their large environments. If having both options where you
> >>>     can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail
> >>>     should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock Trading
> >>>     interface or something you need that level or flexibility and
> >>>     mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
> >>>
> >>>     So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are
> >>>     pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because
> >>>     of a new trend or buzz stuff.
> >>>     Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will
> >>>     be for quite a while.
> >>>>     - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of
> >>>>     ours and you
> >>>>     can do things like copy from the menu.
> >>>>     - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the
> >>>>     buttons/kebab menu
> >>>>     available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly
> >>>>     used actions as
> >>>>     a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter
> >>>>     the interface.
> >>>>     We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
> >>>>     - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu
> >>>>     because its
> >>>>     a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that
> >>>>     was only
> >>>>     available in the right click menu.
> >>>>
> >>>>     Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move
> >>>>     or not. For
> >>>>     now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it
> >>>>     back, it is
> >>>>     certainly possible we will put it back.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>     that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster
> >>>>>>     and better
> >>>>>>     than before.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
> >>>>>>>>     The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of
> >>>>>>>>     the First
> >>>>>>>>     Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to
> >>>>>>>>     be used
> >>>>>>>>     in production.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to
> ask
> >>>>>>>>     questions and interact with developers and users.All issues
> >>>>>>>>     or bugs
> >>>>>>>>     should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version.
> This
> >>>>>>>>     release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one
> >>>>>>>>     thousand
> >>>>>>>>     bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity
> >>>>>>>>     fixes, on
> >>>>>>>>     top of oVirt 4.1 series.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>       *
> >>>>>>>>             The Administration Portalhas been completely
> >>>>>>>>     redesigned using
> >>>>>>>>          Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application
> >>>>>>>>     design.
> >>>>>>>>          It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an
> >>>>>>>>     improved
> >>>>>>>>          user experience.
> >>>>>>>>          *
> >>>>>>>>             There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
> >>>>>>>>          *
> >>>>>>>>             A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been
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> >>>>>>>>          *
> >>>>>>>>             Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open
> >>>>>>>>     vSwitch software
> >>>>>>>>          defined networking (SDN).
> >>>>>>>>          *
> >>>>>>>>             oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
> >>>>>>>>          *
> >>>>>>>>             The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
> >>>>>>>>          administration tasks.
> >>>>>>>>          *
> >>>>>>>>             Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     For more information about these and other features, check
> >>>>>>>>     out the
> >>>>>>>>     oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
> >>>>>>>>     <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/
> >>>>>>>>     <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>>.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
> >>>>>>>>     architectures for:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
> >>>>>>>>     instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     Notes:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     - oVirt Appliance is already available.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>     http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
> >>>>>>>>     <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
> >>>>>>>>     <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
> >>>>>>>>     <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
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> >>>>>>>>
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