I'm not sure to understand the details. It's seems very subtle.
Does this mean that the new signature is "illegal", breaking the previous ones ?
Should we simply refuse to resign the document certified with UR3 ?

Technically, it does just look like there is not enough space reserved for 
writhing the string for the ByteRange directive.
I thought it was just a problem of 20 bytes instead of 22 bytes ...
PDF format is very complex.

We are trying to reproduce problem, but we don't yet understand what the client 
did with the form.

I will clone pdfbox to test the sample, and some ideas.

Thanks for your advices.


Alain COETMEUR


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De : Marc Kaufman <m...@eeph.com>
Envoyé : lundi 1 septembre 2025 18:03
À : users@pdfbox.apache.org
Objet : Re: Error "Can't write new byteRange … not enough space…" signing with 
PADES a document having user's rights protected by Perms/UR3

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When validating signatures (including the UR3 signature) it is necessary to 
confirm that the byte range ends just past an instance of %%EOF.  Any byte 
range that is longer than the file is an indication that someone did a Full 
Save (rather than an Incremental Save) some time after the first signing. If 
you insist on proceeding, you should ignore all invalid signatures.

Note that a signature can be deleted, which is indicated by that signature 
widget not appearing in the latest AcroForm/Fields array.
That's OK, but don't consider it for DSS. There is no requirement that 
signatures appear "in order" in the Fields array. If you must order the 
signatures, do it in order of increasing last byte, as that indicates the order 
of incremental saves.

Marc

On 9/1/2025 5:53 AM, Tilman Hausherr wrote:
> Sadly, the length 144951 does NOT confirm what I expected. The "bad"
> byte range (offset1 len1 offset2 len2) is [0 1569 11103 160382], so
> the second segment is longer than the original file. This means that
> this isn't an "old" value, it was created at some time during the
> signing process. The code has "if (br2 + br3 >
> incrementalInput.length())" which avoids messing with old signatures.
> What happens if you don't use DSS to sign, but the CreateSignature
> example of PDFBox?
> Tilman

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