Trina,

What version of the broker are you running?  You may be running into a bug - 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-3352 - that was recently fixed.

Andy

On Nov 29, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Wisler, Trina wrote:

> Thanks for your prompt reply Gordon.
> 
> We already recreate the routes automatically upon broker death/restart, so 
> that piece is not a problem.  I'm wondering, though, if these federation 
> subscription queues are not durable, what is the best way to programmatically 
> determine if these queues went away while the broker is still active (and 
> hence know to recreate them)?  Again, our problem is that these federated 
> queues are sometimes getting destroyed underneath us and we need to know when 
> this occurs. 
> 
> Thanks again,
> Trina Wisler
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gordon Sim [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:47 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: durable queues and routing
> 
> On 11/29/2011 04:22 PM, Wisler, Trina wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> We have a federated network of C++ brokers setup.  When a message is
>> produced, it will generally go through several layers of brokers
>> before it is consumed by a client.  We have setup ring queues for the
>> client so that its queue at the final layers doesn't get too backed
>> up.  The problem we are having is with our bridge queues at lower
>> levels when we have 1000's of messages going through per second (for
>> generally short periods of time, but not always).  The bridge queues
>> will back up and ultimately get deleted.  These bridge queues are
>> setup directly through the routing command (qpid-route route add
>> ....).  They are not recreated after being deleted.  I don't believe
>> we can create these as durable queues explicitly through qpid-route
>> as not all messages are routed to the same places throughout the
>> hierarchy - it all depends on what the routing key is.   And it would
>> appear that creating a queue in this manner suggests that ALL
>> messages go from one place to the other since I am unable to specify
>> a routing key.  If I am misunderstanding this piece, please clarify.
>> 
>> My question is this : can I make it so the bridge queues can
>> automatically be recreated after being destroyed?  If one of the
>> brokers goes down, we will automatically reestablish routes when it
>> comes back up, but I need to cover the case where the queue is
>> dropped for whatever reason, yet the infrastructure remains active.
> 
> The routes themselves can be made durable, in which case they will be 
> recreated on restart (assuming you have a store plugin loaded). However 
> any message published when they are not active will not be federated, 
> the federation subscription queues are not themselves durable.
> 
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