With our application we are very open. Anyone can see progress each week :) It's live for users eyes :) Anyone is very welcome to take a look into it. :)
wt., 15 paź 2019 o 10:36 Carlos Rovira <[email protected]> napisał(a): > That sounds very good Piotr! Congrats. > > I can see many migration efforts this days, what means Royale is finally > here usable and ready to go for many use cases. > And that's what we know since probably others are going hidden to our eyes > :) > > El mar., 15 oct. 2019 a las 10:02, Piotr Zarzycki (< > [email protected]>) escribió: > >> Like I said we do have plan to have Visual Editor for Royale, but >> currently our whole Team is occupied with porting large Flex app to Royale. >> I think Royale itself starting to taking an advantage of that process. :) >> >> Hopefully we will get back to work on Moonshine more very soon. >> >> Thanks, >> Piotr >> >> wt., 15 paź 2019 o 09:43 Carlos Rovira <[email protected]> >> napisał(a): >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> hope Juda can give us his view about making Radii8 work with Royale. >>> Since we have various editors in place, it would be great to be able to >>> plug something like that in Moonshine, VSCode,... >>> >>> >>> El mar., 15 oct. 2019 a las 9:10, Harbs (<[email protected]>) >>> escribió: >>> >>>> Here is the repo for Jude’s Radii8 project: >>>> https://github.com/velara3/Radii8 >>>> >>>> He did a lot of work there. I hope there’s some way to make it worth >>>> his while to complete Royale support in it. >>>> >>>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Alex Harui <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> FWIW, past discussions on this topic brought up the fact that the >>>> standard for “interactive developer-driven placement of widgets” in the >>>> HTML/JS/CSS world are things like JSFiddle which are considered much faster >>>> and more “real-time” than the workflow required by Flash Builder’s Design >>>> View. FB’s DV was the best Adobe could do because that technology required >>>> compiling a SWF and re-starting the Flash Player usually as a browser >>>> plugin. In the HTML world, you can just tweak a number, hit F5 and see it. >>>> >>>> That means to me that DV-like things really ought to be more >>>> JSFiddle-ish. The big difference is that instead of editing the source >>>> MXML, compiling, and re-loading in the browser, it might be better to build >>>> a tool that maps the HTML DOM to the MXML widgets so you can either edit in >>>> the Browser and some plug-in will offer to update your MXML files, or some >>>> other kind of plugin watches MXML files and updates the DOM in the browser, >>>> skipping the compile/transpile step if changes are only attributes. I have >>>> a prototype of the latter that uses an AIR app to monitor MXML files and >>>> update a SWF via LocalConnection. Judah was playing around with it, but >>>> not sure if he got it to work for JS. >>>> >>>> Then the Royale IDE providers may not need to produce a DV-equivalent, >>>> or can leverage code in our repos to provide something like it. DV was a >>>> pain to support in the framework as it broke the rules about Application >>>> being the top-level widget in a Flex app. For Royale, we could add beads >>>> to the components that make it easier for them to be tracked. >>>> >>>> I’d be interested in hearing more from Paul and anyone else who needs a >>>> WYSIWYG editing tool as to what the “must haves” really are. Would it be >>>> ok if you had to do the layout outside of the IDE in another tool? Would >>>> it be ok to have to take longer to re-transpile everything if you touch any >>>> code (Script block, event handlers in MXML, etc). I personally don’t have >>>> the bandwidth to work on this stuff right now, but maybe others can. It >>>> “should” be easier to update the browser for certain attribute changes in >>>> MXML or vice-versa than build a full DV. >>>> >>>> HTH, >>>> -Alex >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *Paul Stearns <[email protected]> >>>> *Reply-To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]>, " >>>> [email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> *Date: *Monday, October 14, 2019 at 11:46 AM >>>> *To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject: *Re: IDE for Royale >>>> >>>> Carols: >>>> >>>> >>>> Without a WYSIWYG editing tool to develop with, developer productivity >>>> is greatly reduced. Most of our applications are done using direct >>>> placement on canvases. We anchor components and use percentages from time >>>> to time. >>>> One of the main features we found attractive about Flex was the ability >>>> to create desktop like applications deployed as thin client applications. >>>> To provide that look and feel placement and tolerances of components is >>>> crucial. Traditional web based applications (we wrote ASP prior to >>>> converting to Flex and we currently write some in Oracle's Apex) just don't >>>> provide the same level of control over the user experience. >>>> >>>> What is* not important* is responsive design. These applications are *not >>>> designed for mobile devices*. We believe by restricting our design to >>>> be usable on a phone or tablet, makes the application less functional for >>>> how people will actually use it, which is sitting at a desk. When writing >>>> data entry intensive applications, keyboards and monitors are the target >>>> devices, every time a person needs to reach for a mouse, or touch the >>>> screen they are wasting time. >>>> >>>> >>>> We have no problem using new tools, as long as they are at least as >>>> robust as the old tools. >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul R. Stearns >>>> Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. >>>> >>>> 15280 NW 79th Ct. >>>> Suite 250 >>>> Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 >>>> >>>> Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 >>>> Fax: (305)623-4588 >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From*: Carlos Rovira <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent*: 10/14/19 2:08 PM >>>> *To*: Paul Stearns <[email protected]> >>>> *Cc*: [email protected] >>>> *Subject*: Re: IDE for Royale >>>> Hi Paul, >>>> >>>> as part of your move to a new technology my advice is that you embrace >>>> with the change the new tools. In this case, Moonshine or VSCode are the >>>> main ones for now. >>>> Flash Builder is a tool in some kind of EOL by Adobe, without any >>>> update in about 10 years, so although I know some people is still using it, >>>> and I think can work with Royale with some tweaks, I think is better to >>>> change it for something fresh and new that is getting updates each month. >>>> >>>> Just my 2. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> El lun., 14 oct. 2019 a las 19:55, Paul Stearns (<[email protected]>) >>>> escribió: >>>> >>>> Does FlashBuilder 4.7 support Royale? >>>> >>>> I saw a GitHub project that seemed to indicate it would. I was unsure >>>> whether that product was being maintained. >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul R. Stearns >>>> Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. >>>> >>>> 15280 NW 79th Ct. >>>> Suite 250 >>>> Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 >>>> >>>> Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 >>>> Fax: (305)623-4588 >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From*: Piotr Zarzycki <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent*: 10/14/19 1:44 AM >>>> *To*: Paul Stearns <[email protected]> >>>> *Cc*: [email protected] >>>> *Subject*: IDE for Royale >>>> Great question Paul! We do have separate type of project in Moonshine >>>> called - Visual Editor. Currently we offer only Flex and PrimeFaces type of >>>> project, where you can creat simple UI and export to Adobe Air and Web type >>>> of project. >>>> >>>> We do have plan in future add Visual Editor for Royale. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Piotr >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 11:47 PM Paul Stearns <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> One thing I can't seem to find, is a GUI editor for MXML files in >>>> Moonshine. Am I missing something, or is it only a text editor? >>>> >>>> If Moonshine does not have a GUI editor, are there any IDEs with GUI >>>> editors for Royale/MXML? >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul R. Stearns >>>> Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. >>>> >>>> 15280 NW 79th Ct. >>>> Suite 250 >>>> Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 >>>> >>>> Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 >>>> Fax: (305)623-4588 >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From*: Piotr Zarzycki <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent*: 10/13/19 3:01 PM >>>> *To*: Paul Stearns <[email protected]> >>>> *Cc*: [email protected] >>>> *Subject*: IDE for Royale >>>> Hi Paul, >>>> >>>> We will release Moonshine probably this week with update to 0.9.6. >>>> >>>> Each Royale version should work with Moonshine. Try download manually >>>> from royale website binaries for 0.9.6 and add to Moonshine. Existing >>>> Royale project if contains file *..as3proj you can double click and it will >>>> open in Moonshine. Not that if you choose 0.9.6 you may end up with issue >>>> described here [1]. I've provided workaround here [2] >>>> >>>> Flex project if contains Flash Builder file you can also open trough >>>> Moonshine by pointing folder by options "Open/Import project..." from Home >>>> tab. - Maybe you will have to go trough some wizard during that process, >>>> than select appropriate template during setup. There is possibility that >>>> you will have to correct some settings after importing project - right >>>> click on project and Choose "Settings" - review them to see if all paths >>>> are correct. >>>> >>>> You will have to build probably tourdeflex using ant script (still can >>>> open project in Moonshine), cause it's multimodule application and we are >>>> not handle properly multimodule app in Moonshine yet and it didn't contains >>>> also file to open in Moonshine. I just fixed it [3]. Try checkout that >>>> folder [4]. >>>> >>>> I don't know how to properly build tourdeflex by ant, but if script is >>>> working you can do use Moonshine as well - right click on project, choose >>>> settings and in "Ant build" tab select build.xml in folder >>>> tourdeflexmodules. Than choose Project -> Build with Apache Ant. >>>> >>>> Any non multimodule app you should be able to build by options >>>> available in Project. >>>> >>>> Finally you can read more about emulation components here [5] >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> http://apache-royale-development.20373.n8.nabble.com/Broken-royale-config-in-JS-only-build-of-released-Apache-Royale-SDK-0-9-6-td12515.html >>>> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache-royale-development.20373.n8.nabble.com%2FBroken-royale-config-in-JS-only-build-of-released-Apache-Royale-SDK-0-9-6-td12515.html&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C56436bd28b9c446e074d08d750d6df96%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637066756109368161&sdata=IvrS60NCy1bYGvuHtNzLRQ70Q31wZVim7wKd%2F1NKmTk%3D&reserved=0> >>>> [2] >>>> http://apache-royale-development.20373.n8.nabble.com/Broken-royale-config-in-JS-only-build-of-released-Apache-Royale-SDK-0-9-6-td12515.html#a12543 >>>> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache-royale-development.20373.n8.nabble.com%2FBroken-royale-config-in-JS-only-build-of-released-Apache-Royale-SDK-0-9-6-td12515.html%23a12543&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C56436bd28b9c446e074d08d750d6df96%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637066756109378161&sdata=HuU6b5lIsKxtM8Th5GXosylUivxKBQPVKSHbdxHIhaU%3D&reserved=0> >>>> [3] >>>> https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs/commit/0117eaf5cd8e51024c0818af7ad67b988630f282 >>>> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Froyale-asjs%2Fcommit%2F0117eaf5cd8e51024c0818af7ad67b988630f282&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C56436bd28b9c446e074d08d750d6df96%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637066756109378161&sdata=1FtJjlG9nwRuNLOQuPNaU3wehGSomz0Ow%2FaNFplbfiw%3D&reserved=0> >>>> [4] >>>> https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs/tree/develop/examples/mxroyale/tourdeflexmodules >>>> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Froyale-asjs%2Ftree%2Fdevelop%2Fexamples%2Fmxroyale%2Ftourdeflexmodules&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C56436bd28b9c446e074d08d750d6df96%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637066756109388154&sdata=b6GeoH05H4rf%2F1PGT3b0eBvW9SNoW%2BU2VpliirNAhBE%3D&reserved=0> >>>> [5] https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs/wiki/emulation-components >>>> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Froyale-asjs%2Fwiki%2Femulation-components&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C56436bd28b9c446e074d08d750d6df96%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637066756109388154&sdata=BhJCxHcLjirjaZyqvufrzZdtBh3853dNy%2FFmOkwSuPc%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Piotr >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 7:45 PM Paul Stearns <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I downloaded Moonshine. I told it to download Royale, which I noticed >>>> it is downloading 0.9.4. I think I want 0.9.6 which is the latest & >>>> greatest. >>>> >>>> Will 0.9.6 work with Moonshine? >>>> >>>> How do I upgrade? >>>> >>>> Last but not least, is there a tutorial on how to migrate/convert an >>>> entire flex project to Royale? >>>> >>>> Perhaps how to open a Flexbuilder 3 project with Moonshine. >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul R. Stearns >>>> Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. >>>> >>>> 15280 NW 79th Ct. >>>> Suite 250 >>>> Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 >>>> >>>> Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 >>>> Fax: (305)623-4588 >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From*: Piotr Zarzycki <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent*: 10/13/19 12:28 PM >>>> *To*: [email protected] >>>> *Cc*: [email protected] >>>> *Subject*: IDE for Royale >>>> Hi Paul, >>>> >>>> Here is the link to information about IDE [1] >>>> >>>> Here is code to tourdeflex [2] and other Emulation components examples. >>>> >>>> [1] https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/get-started/development-tools >>>> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapache.github.io%2Froyale-docs%2Fget-started%2Fdevelopment-tools&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C56436bd28b9c446e074d08d750d6df96%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637066756109398146&sdata=OY36q9p%2Fdp2pNwCTKpSxF7qiNC8JrEfN6QtYDewMojw%3D&reserved=0> >>>> [2] >>>> https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs/tree/develop/examples/mxroyale >>>> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Froyale-asjs%2Ftree%2Fdevelop%2Fexamples%2Fmxroyale&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C56436bd28b9c446e074d08d750d6df96%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637066756109398146&sdata=2qw0Jm4oda%2BMzEYdnN9wSS8%2BTgC36BG6w3D7r2W2wGw%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Piotr >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 6:08 PM Paul Stearns <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> To begin dabbling with Royale, I would like to use an IDE. For Flex I >>>> am using Flexbuilder 3. >>>> >>>> What is the best IDE for Royale? Where can I get it? >>>> >>>> Alex mentioned tourdeflex migration example, where can I find that? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul R. Stearns >>>> Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. >>>> >>>> 15280 NW 79th Ct. >>>> Suite 250 >>>> Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 >>>> >>>> Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 >>>> Fax: (305)623-4588 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Carlos Rovira >>>> http://about.me/carlosrovira >>>> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C56436bd28b9c446e074d08d750d6df96%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637066756109408139&sdata=dPBlfYf8mJKNqdGgLeuxIyBC7FyNJ6KlW%2Fefk5yV9M0%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Carlos Rovira >>> http://about.me/carlosrovira >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> Piotr Zarzycki >> >> Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki >> <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>* >> > > > -- > Carlos Rovira > http://about.me/carlosrovira > > -- Piotr Zarzycki Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>*
