Thanks guys - it's good to know what I should be avoiding, at the very
least. So OSGi Bundles/Blueprints it is then. Presumably this means
that I should be ignoring everything under
http://servicemix.apache.org/docs/4.4.0/jbi/components/index.html as
"legacy/deprecated", since they're all JBI-related? Which would mean
that I'd be using camel for setting up all the endpoints for the
webservices and whatnot?

Thanks,

- Andrew Thorburn

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 6:34 PM, PAC Kieffer Guillaume
<guillaume.kief...@panalpina.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I started on ServiceMix one month ago, just some little hints to avoid losing 
> time:
>
> As Claus said, be careful about SMX 3 and 4 documentation. You can go easily 
> with the fuse doc, it is quite detailed and really provides you infos on 
> ActiveMQ, Camel and ServiceMix.
>
> Forget about JBI SA/SU in SMX 4.4: Go with OSGi bundles and blueprint.
>
> If you have no clue about OSGi:
> http://www.theserverside.com/news/1363825/OSGi-for-Beginners
>
> Additionally take a look at Karaf which is the OSGi Container used in SMX:
> http://karaf.apache.org/
>
> Regards,
> Guillaume.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Claus Ibsen [mailto:claus.ib...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 08:17
> To: users@servicemix.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Getting Started - self-contained SOAP over JMS sample?
>
> Hi
>
> Welcome to the community.
>
> The best suggestion I can give you at this point is to: start with plain 
> Camel.
> http://camel.apache.org/
>
> Kick the tires with Camel, and get something up and running that
> mostly does what you need.
>
> If you got 15 min to spare then read this intro article about Camel
> http://java.dzone.com/articles/open-source-integration-apache
>
> That should help set the scene, and then dig in from there
>
> There is a number of Camel examples you can try out and read about
> http://camel.apache.org/examples.html
>
> And if you got Maven experience then there is Maven archetype tooling
> to quickly create new projects
> http://camel.apache.org/camel-maven-archetypes.html
>
>
> Then later you should look into SMX and how to deploy your application in SMX.
> For example check out the SMX quick start guide
> http://servicemix.apache.org/docs/4.4.0/quickstart/index.html
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Andrew Thorburn <nzi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ok, so I like the idea of ServiceMix, but attempting to dive in
>> head-first seems to be a bad idea - there are just simply too many
>> options! And the documentation seems to be a bit lacking in the areas
>> I'm having trouble with.
>>
>> My ultimate goal is the following:
>>
>> One 'Service' which receives a SOAP message over HTTP and sends it on
>> over JMS (possibly transformed via XSL first).
>>
>> One 'Service' which receives a SOAP message over HTTP, converts it
>> (possibly via XSL) to a flat, fixed-length record, and then sends it
>> over JMS. The response will also be a flat, fixed-length record, which
>> will need conversion. But let's ignore that one for now - I'll be very
>> happy if I can get the first one up and running.
>>
>> However, since I don't actually have access to the *real* end-points
>> at the moment, what I need to do in the interim, to show that this
>> will work for us, is to create a simple 'hello world'-type response
>> for the above service. That is, I would create a JMS end-point in SM
>> which responds with a fixed (or semi-fixed) SOAP message, ideally
>> without writing any Java (XML is fine).
>>
>> So, where am I stuck with this? At the beginning. I see there are a
>> number of different ways to deploy *stuff* to SM, but I can't find a
>> good description of what the differences are between them. Should I be
>> looking at creating a Blueprint? A Spring Module? An OSGi Module? A
>> Spring/OSGi module? A Service Unit with Service Assemblies? Are some
>> of these not applicable to what I'm trying to do? Are some of these,
>> in fact, actually the same thing, or a sub-set of another thing?
>>
>> Now, having been looking at the documentation, I think that, once I've
>> figured out what sort of deployment object I need to create, I would
>> be using the servicemix-cxf-bc component, with a 'Consumer' endpoint,
>> and probably a 'Provider' endpoint too. The Consumer would be what I
>> would target from my application or from SoapUI, correct? And the
>> provider would be what I would use as a mock end-point?
>>
>> This would a WSDL-first (well, preferably WSDL-only) SOAP deployment,
>> as we will be calling out to a web service that someone else is
>> providing over JMS. The WSDL does include a JMS binding, though I
>> would still likely need to configure the target address and queue and
>> so on.
>>
>> And to configure JMS I will need a separate configuration file,
>> provided via the 'busCfg' option? I'm pretty sure that this JMS
>> configuration will not need to specify a reply queue - just a
>> destination queue, as ServiceMix/CXF will handle getting the reply
>> automatically, correct? I believe that it will generate a queue to use
>> for this request, and will include the name of that queue in the
>> headers of the JMS message it sends.
>>
>> Assuming that's all correct, how do I actually generate a mock
>> response with the provider? I assume I need to use some form of Camel
>> Routing for that?
>>
>> I apologise for all the questions, but I just can't quite get my head
>> around how SM is supposed to work, or where I need to look for
>> answers. Should I actually be reading the FuseESB documentation, as
>> that's based on SM?
>>
>> Many, many thanks,
>>
>> - Andrew Thorburn
>
>
>
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