They cannot (do not want, do not have the know how) study the e-mails, and 
therefore they cannot build a reliable corpus. All they can do is to trust the 
ability of their users to study their own e-mails well enough to do the job, 
hence the mess with ham/spam when feeding the Bayesian filter. They need to 
consult with a lawyer, fix their paperwork, hire people who can teach them 
everything they need to know, and invest at least two years full-time in the 
process. They just cannot install centos and SA and hope Bayesian filters to do 
their job out of magic. It just does not work that way.

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On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 05:48, Bill Cole 
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> On 13 Feb 2018, at 9:33, Horváth Szabolcs wrote: > This is a production mail 
> gateway serving since 2015. I saw that a few > messages (both hams and spams) 
> automatically learned by > amavisd/spamassassin. Today's statistics: > > 3616 
> autolearn=ham > 10076 autolearn=no > 2817 autolearn=spam > 134 
> autolearn=unavailable That's quite high for spam, ham, AND "unavailable" 
> (which indicates something wrong with the Bayes subsystem, usually 
> transient.) This seems like a recipe for a mis-learning disaster. For 
> comparison, my 2018 autolearn counts: spam: 418 ham: 15018 unavailable: 166 
> no: 129555 I also manually train any spam that gets through to me (the 
> biggest spam target,) a small number of spams reported by others, and 'trap' 
> hits. A wide variety of ham is harder to get for training but I have found it 
> useful to give users a well-documented and simple way to help. One way is to 
> look at what happens to mail AFTER delivery which can indicate that a message 
> is ham without needing an admin to try to make a determination based on 
> content. The simplest one is to learn anything users mark as $NotJunk as ham. 
> Another is to create an "Archive" mailbox for every user and learn anything 
> as ham that has been moved there a day after it is moved. The most important 
> factor (especially in jurisdictions where human examination of email is a 
> problem) is to tell users how to protect their email and then do what you 
> tell them, robotically. In the US, Canada, and *SOME* of the EU, this is not 
> risky. However, I have been told by people in *SOME* EU countries that they 
> can't even robotically scan ANY mail content, so you shouldn't take my advice 
> as authoritative: I'm not even a lawyer in the US, much less Hungary... > I 
> think I have no control over what is learnt automatically. Yes, you do. Run 
> "perldoc Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::AutoLearnThreshold" for details. You can 
> set the learning thresholds, which control what gets learned. The defaults 
> (0.1 and 12) mis-learn far too much spam as ham and not enough spam. I use 
> -0.2 and 6, which means I don't autolearn a lot but everything I autolearn as 
> ham has at least one hit on a substantial "nice" rule or 2 hits on weak ones. 
> There's a lot of vehemence against autolearn expressed here but not a lot of 
> evidence that it operates poorly when configured wisely. The defaults are NOT 
> wise. > Let's just assume for a moment that 1.4M ham-samples are valid. Bad 
> assumption. Your Bayes checks are uncertain about mail you've told SA is 
> definitely spam. That's broken. It's a sort of breakage that cannot exist if 
> you do not have a large quantity of spam that has been learned as ham. > Is 
> there a ham:spam ratio I should stick to it? No. > I presume if we have a 1:1 
> ratio then future messages won't be > considered as spam as well. The 
> ham:spam ratio in the Bayes DB or its autolearning is not a generally useful 
> metric. 1:1 is not magically good and neither is any other ratio, even with 
> reference to a single site's mailstream. A very large ratio *on either side* 
> indicates a likely problem in what is being learned, but you can't correlate 
> the ratio to any particularly wrong bias in Bayes scoring. It is an 
> inherently chaotic relationship. Factors that actually matter are correctness 
> of learning, sample quality, and currency. You can control how current your 
> Bayes DB is (USE AUTO-EXPIRE) but the other two factors are never going to be 
> perfect.

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