From: "Marc Perkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Gino Cerullo wrote:
On 2-Aug-06, at 6:29 PM, Jason Haar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
FYI: Courier-IMAP has had this feature for some time. You can configure
it so that any mail message dropped into an IMAP subfolder named (e.g.)
"Outbox" will be auto-sent - i.e. piped into /usr/sbin/sendmail.
Completely removes the need for SMTP.
Of course, it would really require all MUAs to be rewritten to "hide"
this technical backend skulduggery from the end-user. They should just
be able to hit "Send" as usual.
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Jason Haar
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If it's piped into '/usr/sbin/sendmail' then it is still using SMTP.
Sendmail is an SMTP server.
Yes - that is the plan. You use POP/IMAP to transport the message to the
server when it is piped into SMTP. The idea isn't for IMAP to deliver
the email. It is just a transport to get the message from the client
back to the server when it is sent via SMTP.
I'm not against SMTP. I'm just trying to say that it isn't the best
choice to get the message from the client when you already have an
authenticated connection to the server established.
Quite clearly you ARE against SMTP. And quite clearly you do not in
the least understand it as a tool. So far you've not demonstrated any
serious knowledge of the protocols involved or the available, WIDELY
available, existing tools that will not force users to upgrade and
adopt unwieldy awkward substitute tools.
How is the server supposed to know that incoming mail in SMTP format
is not from a genuine server? You've not addressed this point. Blocking
port 25 is not going to work. Too many businesses rely on their own
mail servers rather than ISP servers. This is true even of single
person consultancy businesses.
And please note very carefully, at present I do NOT fetch my mail from
the same servers as I use to submit my mail when using my MUA. I pull
the mail down to a Linux machine, run SpamAssassin there with rules
and BAYES selected for the needs at this precise location and the
precise accounts on the machine at this location. Then I submit my
email via port 587 to Earthlink's authenticated SMTP port, which
requires the same password and ID as the POP3 port or any IMAP port
that might exist. So I am not tied to a bottleneck. I can prefilter
my email before I try to read it rather than putting SpamAssassin in
the read path for POP3 or IMAP, which causes quite noticeable delays.
Those delays make over 1000 emails a day an untenable option. Your
idea would break my system. And any organization that would suggest
this would guarantee I am its fervent enemy. I'd work to tear down
that organization and disperse its members from this country. I'd
also, if that organization happened to be the UN, use its former
property as homeless shelters. The idea you are espousing so fervently
is an extraordinarily stupid idea.
{^_^} Joanne said that and meant it.
