> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralf Hildebrandt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 2:19 AM
> To: Tony Finch
> Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Amazon / RFCI false positives
> 
> 
> * Tony Finch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > My mistake: I cited the wrong domain. Try bounces.amazon.com which 
> > they use in the return path of their messages (I guess for 
> all their 
> > international domains) 
> > 
> http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/tools/lookup.php?domain=bounces.amazon.com
> 
> Yes, correct. My tests show that the MX hosts for 
> bounces.amazon.com do indeed refuse all connections to them. 
> WTF did they break?

Based on the original bounce in the rfci list, they have been broken for
over 5 days.
For a whole, the mx records for amazon.com themselves were broke also.

Based on Tony's logic, we should delist hotmail.com (someone might want
an email from hotmail), microsoft.com, yahoo.com, google.com,..... All
of which are listed in RFCI.  Heck, we should totally ignore the spamcop
scores also, since they frequently list aol servers (and we all know how
important those aol emails are).

What about SARES image scores? Hey, I wanted that email from that person
who has a 1MB animated gif inline in his sig.

No, the RFCI listings are NOT an indication of the spammyness of the
domain, if you read the rfci pages it explains that.  NO, the scores
given by SA for a specific test are NOT an indication of the spammyness
of the domain (as the SA FAQ's state)

If the servers are broken (and they were for a week), then they exactly
fit the stated listing policies of RFCI.  (and were delisted when they
were fixed, and will be listed again if broken again).  If you
personally don't agree with these policies, it takes a lot less bytes
and time on your part to just adjust the RFCI scores to 0.

If you can come up with a competing system that is even 2% as accurate
as SA, use it.
There is nothing out there that even comes close, and (what would you
say, MOST ?) almost all of the commercial systems do use SA, some even
tell you they do, others hide it behind custom implementations.

Thanks SA maintainers, Thanks RFCI maintainers.  Your selfless AND FREE
work sometimes goes unnoticed, and not publicly acknowledged, but
THANKS.  Several executives that I know of have even said that you saved
their life or marriage!

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