On Mon, January 29, 2007 14:38, Mike Jackson wrote:
> Before my actual question, here's a little background. Right now, I see how
> pointless SPF is; few domains publish records, even fewer MTAs running in
> the wild use SPF to accept/reject mail. When I look at the SPF scoring on my
> server (where I'm running an SPF milter for Sendmail), most of the mail with
> neutral SPF answers were sent from servers that should in no way be
> authorized to send mail for the domain. So, it got me thinking...

spf is only as good as who is using it, SARE theam will add more
whitelist_from_spf if needed, in the end we can benefit all if
hostmasters/postmasters care more on spf, i admit, but i belive that
forwarding mails servers is to scary for them :/

> Shouldn't mail be sent through the MX for a domain?

if you setup thunderbird to deeliver mail to a smtp server that is final
destinaion then its not relaying, and should be ok

so how many scripts kiddies cant make that ?

> Yes, I know MX records are for receiving mail, but in common practice the
> servers they represent do double duty, both receiving mail from the outside
> world and allowing users to send mail as well. Somewhere in the Received:
> headers, it seems like you would see one of the MXes as a sender on most
> legitimate messages. I'm sure someone's had this idea before (it's so
> obvious that I can't believe that they wouldn't), but there must be some
> reason it's not used as a flag for incoming spam. I've been thinking about
> investing some time into writing a SpamAssassin plugin that would check the
> Received headers for signs of an MX for the sender, but would I be wasting
> my time?

dig mxhostname to get the a record
compare if that ip was the last recieved ip
if a domain have no mx record, use the a record anyway

should be it :-)

just that spf was designed to be the domain sender authed makes it a bit
better then just check mx is equal to the a record from the headers

so to you question about trustness mx should be trusted, but its not usefull
to do it

one have a patch to spf test in spammassassin ?, there could and will be false
positive, but anyway, we hate forwarding spam, no ?

and hotmail.com have 1 million ips in there spf records, who loves them ?

current rbldnsd have a cidr limit so 0.0.0.0/0 cant be valid

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