On 29.07.09 10:01, Res wrote: > **head-note: I know youve not mentioned it to me, but i'll remove your > address only once more, if you got a bitch about any further replies that > will be CC'd to you, bitch to apache org for not having reply-to set. > I'm sick of deleting them :)
complain to your own MUA authors for not supporting list-reply. >> On 28.07.09 12:12, Res wrote: >>> Actually, if he is a connection customer of foobar.com, he should use >>> foobar.coms SMTP server as his smarthost, as they will allow their > On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: >> do you mean "they will only allow" ? >>> customers to relay through them, that way most servers will only care >>> about mail.foobar.com > any ISP that relays for non customers, needs a kicking. (hosting excluded) do you mean "they will only allow their users relaying through their servers"? Note that when you send mail from @gmail.com, you are, from the mail's point of view, customer of gmail, not the ISP you are connecting through. >> If he sends mail with gmail.com address, he should use gmail's SMTP >> servers no matter which ISP he's connecting through. > > Why? Thats a dangerous recommendation, the number of times googles mail > servers get periodically blocked is funny. Maybe he wants replies there. That is a pure logical recommendation, because: 1. google wishes users only send mail through their servers as they published SPF records. The same applies to many other (free)mail providers. 2. an ISP/ESP does not want users to relay mail from gmail users and risking relaying mail with fake from and sending failure notices "back" to google. Especially not if the mail address was faked by customer's mailware and the isp's mail server can get onto blacklist for that. 3. If customers use third party's mailboxes for accepting mail (and apparently pay the subject, not the ISP for that), why should the ISP take a risk of relaying spam from these customers? > and uses gmails pop but wants to send his replies without using them, hes > perfectly entitled to do so. He might also only be using gmail to post to > this list, since he (someone) cant from their original connection. This is perfectly differentiated by the mail from and From: address. Whose from: you use, those smtp servers you should use. >> Yes, some ISPs deny connections to port 25, but that's why there's >> 'submission' service on port 587 where authentication should be required so >> any problem with sending spam directly to recipients is avoided. > > This is popular in *some* countries, dont assume its a universal thing, > because it aint. Most ISP's worth their salt have dedicated customer > outbound mail servers, that only accept from their own, if they dont, > they are too smaller operation to be worried about. That's popular by an increasing number of ISPs, e.g. when they will get listed in blacklist like UCEPROTECT-L[23], when they aren't able to cope with tons of spam reports. However, the basic points are mentioned above. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Fucking windows! Bring Bill Gates! (Southpark the movie)
