On 7-Dec-2009, at 09:03, Charles Gregory wrote:
> There's a need. A real genuine need for services like Habeas. But they need 
> to be *very* well managed and policed. And it seems, from some complaints, 
> that this is not happening....


How a service like HABEAS needs to work is that 1) It keeps a massive database 
of email addresses that are known to either be bad, or to be users who have 
specifically submitted their addresses as not accepting any unsolicited 
unconfirmed emails, ever.  A spammer — er, marketer, submits their mailing list 
and it is 'cleaned' of all those addresses, then submitted back to the spammer.

The spammer, in order to register with the service has to pay some amount of 
money (probably a range of $0-$1,000,000 depending on the size of their list 
and profit/non-profit status of the sender) that is held in a third party 
trust. This is money that is deposited in addition to whatever charges there 
are to clean the list. If the spammer sends any messages to an address that was 
scrubbed, then the trust money is donated to some charity and the spammers 
account with the service is revoked and their ENTIRE IP CLASS is submitted to 
RBLs. In addition, bounce processing for the spam—er, marketing email is 
handled by the service. Addresses that bounce are added to the database of bad 
addresses. Spam complaints are added to the database of opt-out addresses.

THAT service I would allow negative points to in my SA. I can't imagine any 
other commercial whitelist that I would allow negative points for.

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