On 10/16/2013 07:21 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:
So if I'm reading this right, milters such as smf-sav or milter-ahead will no 
longer be of any use?

yep... One will have to be creative, start mantaining local rcpt list copies, LDAP exports, etc - lottsa fun for all parties.

This also applies to Postfix's recipient address verification.


  ...Kevin
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-----Original Message-----
From: Axb [mailto:axb.li...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:18 AM
To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: Re: one word spam (continued)

On 10/16/2013 06:42 PM, David F. Skoll wrote:
On 16 Oct 2013 09:15:07 -0700
"Neil Schwartzman" <n...@cauce.org> wrote:

List verification. Many receiving sites will block after X bounces,
clean up your list from 550s, and spam the real thing from another
botted IP.

<rant>
And you know who we can thank [sic] for this mechanism of list verification?

Microsoft, that's who.

For versions of Microsoft Exchange prior to 2013, you need to jump
through ridiculous hoops to configure it so that invalid RCPT commands are 
rejected.
By default, Exchange accepts any old RCPT command and then either
rejects after DATA or (if a RCPT was valid) is forced to generate a
delivery failure notification.

For Exchange 2013, the ridiculous hoops no longer work and I don't
believe it is even possible to configure Exchange 2013 to reject
invalid RCPTs without truly grotesque hacks.

Thank you, Microsoft, for making the Internet a better place.
</rant>

Exchange 2013 can still reject mail to unknown users, except that it does it 
_AFTER_ DATA, which means that everybody that tried to be a good player has 
become a backscatterer, including their own services which have they have 
elegantly turned into spam spewin bazookas.

May I join you?
<rant>
Thank you, Microsoft, for making the Internet a better place.
</rant>







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