Am 26.09.2014 um 17:57 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas:
> On 25.09.14 16:07, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> that's why BAYES_99 together with score BAYES_999 0.5 since
>> it happens only very rare for legit mail and that ones
>> have mostly whitelists, SPF, DKIM to keep the result below 8
>>
>> score BAYES_00 -2.5
>> score BAYES_05 -0.7
>> score BAYES_20 -0.06
>> score BAYES_40 -0.03
>> score BAYES_50 2.0
>> score BAYES_60 3.0
>> score BAYES_80 3.7
>> score BAYES_95 5.8
>> score BAYES_99 7.5
>> score BAYES_999 0.5
> 
> FYI, the SA scores are currently these:

default, yes

> score BAYES_00  0  0 -1.5   -1.9
> score BAYES_05  0  0 -0.3   -0.5
> score BAYES_20  0  0 -0.001 -0.001
> score BAYES_40  0  0 -0.001 -0.001
> score BAYES_50  0  0  2.0    0.8
> score BAYES_60  0  0  2.5    1.5
> score BAYES_80  0  0  2.7    2.0
> score BAYES_95  0  0  3.2    3.0
> score BAYES_99  0  0  3.8    3.5
> score BAYES_999 0  0  0.2    0.2
> 
> as you can see, they produce no score when BAYES is disabled (first two
> numbers)

well, if bayes is disabled bayes don't produce score :-)

> I don't recommend you changing them, unless you know what you are doing (and
> risking)

i know - sa-milter here blocks above 8.0 and my bayse contains at the
moment 3200 messages (half ham, half spam) manually trained
messages with no autolearning

in that environment 3.7 points are useless for 99.999% sure spam
currently we reject around 30000 messages per day and aceept 3051
in fact nearly zero spam ever touchs a inbox and over 4 weeks 5
complaints about a false-positive, none of them SA related

until there is no whitelist, SPF match and so on it is trusted
to reject by train data and at the same time if other SA rules
are hitted including a URIBL the -2.5 are trusted to prevent false
positives just because some idiot sent legit mail to a blacklist
instead hit the unsubscribe button what happens way too often

frankly the biggest problem is the large amount of idiots hit
a "spam" button whenever they can to stop receive some sort of
mail - i had that even in my own family "can't you block that?"
followed by "yes" after asking "have you subscribed there?"

guess how likely it happens for a large mail provider sending
100% clean mail with double-optin to 10000 persons when there
are 5% complete idiots - it results in 500 spam reports about
the same message - the hardest job by maintaining a blacklist
is to catch that idiots and prevent harm for innocent

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