I do not miss Flash even a bit and do not want to spend any time on configuring that. If site requires flash then they do not have my business. I mention this problem only to show situation where Flash is not that easy to install.
Alex Kartashev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah... I think you can install 32-bit version of flash and it would work.... Or you may need to install a 32-bit version of Firefox. I remember I had this problem on Fedora Core 4 on AMD64 kernel. Yes... you need the Firefox version from 32-bit distro. -Serge Konstantin Ignatyev wrote: >Agreed. Easines of getting JVM is the key. Win comes without Flash but it is >easy and relatively fast to install it. > >The problem should be solved: JVM should be easy to install, easier than Flash >(whish does not work at all on my 64bit Gentoo- not that I miss it). > > > >Sergei Dubov wrote: Interesting... How can an applet be a viable alternative >if it needs a >JVM to run, and Windoz comes without it. I think this problem needs to >be solved first if applets/JWS are to come back into fashion. > >-Serge > >Konstantin Ignatyev wrote: > > > >>Paul Cantrell wrote: Horrible, horrible, GridBagLayout.... I loathe it. What >>an awful >>mess. CSS is so many thousands of times nicer for doing layout.... >> >>Couple of wrapper functions to constraints make it very easy to use, not to >>mention that it is very easy to arrange components in UI editor like >>NetBeans. >> >>And if you do not like it, then there is plenty of layout managers for Swing >>http://wiki.java.net/bin/view/Javadesktop/3thParty >> >>I am sympathetic to the "applets not Javascript" argument, though. >>"Applets with CSS layout" would be especially nice. >> >>But applets don't integrate well with the flow of the web: like Flash- >>based sites, you can't bookmark them, search engines can't index >>them, etc. >> >>I was talking at conceptual level, by no means I consider current state of >>Applets to be ideal. But the problems you have mentioned are very common for >>all kinds of stateful techniques: Tapestry, heavy Ajax applilications, Echo2, >>and I guess GWT. Even if continuation is used it is still hard to do, for >>example fhat good will it do if we will be able to bookmark a purchasing >>transaction in the middle? >> >>On Flash - the technology does not make sense at all: it is crippled and >>simplified JVM that runs one Flash VM per Flash that quickly brings any comp >>on the knees when number of flashes grows beyond 10. Not to mention inability >>to share and reuse fllash libraries on client. And if they will try to >>implement all that in the Flash VM then it will be as heavy as Java. If Java >>RT was modular then Applets would be able to do everything that Flash does >>but more efficiently. >> >>There are limits to what they're good for. If there were a >>good way to attach Java to a page's DOM, then we'd be cooking. >> >>I do not think so. We will be still dependent on browser's abilities, and >>IMO emerging trends indicate that people want to break free from limitations >>of HTML and browser while being able to make use of it. >>I wonder how limited GWT is in this respect? Tapestry works very hard >>to respect the client's control of their browser. >> >>P >> >> >>On May 21, 2006, at 12:47 PM, Konstantin Ignatyev wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>http://www.swixml.org/ >>>http://www.java2s.com/Product/Swing/LookAndFeel.htm >>> >>>And Swing can support any kind of layout managers but I have found >>>GridBagLayout to be very flexible and good for nearly everything I >>>do with Swing. >>> >>>Therefore I think it does not make sense to try (re)creating Swing >>>in browsers. Applets is what we really need :). >>> >>> >>>Norbert S�ndor wrote:The good thing in >>>GWT is to use the efficient development style of Swing >>>(I mean Java only, easy to debug/test) but allow to use the underlying >>>browser's HTML+CSS capatibilites for layout. >>> >>> >>> >>>Konstantin Ignatyev >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add >>>fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 >>>square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of >>>desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode >>>seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the >>>stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000 >>> >>>Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental >>>Movement Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public >>>Schools. New York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) >>>(5) (p.206) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Piano music podcast: http://inthehands.com >>Other interesting stuff: http://innig.net >> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Konstantin Ignatyev PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000 Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools. New York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206)
