Hum I tried and haven't be able to reproduce.. but so far that the best explanation about what can cause the race...
Thanks I will put some code in to avoid double submit! Regards /David Tobias Meyer wrote: >Just a thought - What would happen to your application if the user >double-clicked the login button? (or whatever causes the page to load) > >We also sometimes see such errors if some page loads too slow and the user >gets annoyed and logges in again (the login screen invalidates the old >session in our application) >When the slow thread then reaches the point where it wants to read the >attribute it's gone as the session is invalidated. > >Hth, >Tobias > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: David Gagnon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 3:46 PM >>To: Tomcat Users List >>Subject: Re: Tomcat 4.1.31, Weird problem. Once in a while an >>attribute in the session is not found... look like a RACE?! >>Is that possible???? >> >> >>Hi, >> >> >>In catalina.out I get nothing more than the null pointer exception. I >>also included the log from localhost_log.2005-12-15 where we >>can see the >>actual request. >> >>Thanks for you help! >>Regards >>/David >> >> >>----------------localhost_log.2005-12-15 >>2005-12-15 15:19:56 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapped to servlet >>'action' with servlet path '/logon.do' and path info 'null' >>and update=true >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: Security checking >>request POST /webCatalog/publicPages/j_security_check >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: We have >>cached auth type >>FORM for principal GenericPrincipal[cabg] >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: Already >>authenticated 'cabg' >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: Checking constraint >>'SecurityConstraint[Access-Authentication-Authorization Test Area]' >>against POST /publicPages/j_security_check --> false >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: No applicable >>constraint >>located >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: Not subject to any >>constraint >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapping >>contextPath='/webCatalog' with >>requestURI='/webCatalog/publicPages/j_security_check' and >>relativeURI='/publicPages/j_security_check' >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying exact match >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying prefix match >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying >>extension match >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying default match >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapped to servlet >>'default' with servlet path '/publicPages/j_security_check' and path >>info 'null' and update=true >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapping >>contextPath='/webCatalog' with >>requestURI='/webCatalog/publicPages/index.jsp' and >>relativeURI='/publicPages/index.jsp' >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying exact match >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapped to servlet >>'publicPages.index_jsp' with servlet path '/publicPages/index.jsp' and >>path info 'null' and update=true >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: Security checking >>request GET /webCatalog/graphics/webSite/BG_LightBeige.gif >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: We have >>cached auth type >>FORM for principal GenericPrincipal[cabg] >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: Checking constraint >>'SecurityConstraint[Access-Authentication-Authorization Test Area]' >>against GET /graphics/webSite/BG_LightBeige.gif --> false >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: No applicable >>constraint >>located >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: Not subject to any >>constraint >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapping >>contextPath='/webCatalog' with >>requestURI='/webCatalog/graphics/webSite/BG_LightBeige.gif' and >>relativeURI='/graphics/webSite/BG_LightBeige.gif' >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying exact match >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying prefix match >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying >>extension match >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying default match >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapped to servlet >>'default' with servlet path '/graphics/webSite/BG_LightBeige.gif' and >>path info 'null' and update=true >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapping >>contextPath='/webCatalog' with >>requestURI='/webCatalog/publicPages/index.jsp' and >>relativeURI='/publicPages/index.jsp' >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying exact match >>2005-12-15 15:20:07 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapped to servlet >>'publicPages.index_jsp' with servlet path '/publicPages/index.jsp' and >>path info 'null' and update=true >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: Security checking >>request POST /webCatalog/logon.do >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: We have >>cached auth type >>FORM for principal GenericPrincipal[cabg] >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: Checking constraint >>'SecurityConstraint[Access-Authentication-Authorization Test Area]' >>against POST /logon.do --> true >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: Subject to constraint >>SecurityConstraint[Access-Authentication-Authorization Test Area] >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: Calling >>checkUserData() >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: User data >>constraint has >>no restrictions >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: Calling authenticate() >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: Already >>authenticated 'cabg' >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: Calling >>accessControl() >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 JDBCRealm[/webCatalog]: Username cabg has role >>applicationUser >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 Authenticator[/webCatalog]: Successfully >>passed all >>security constraints >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapping >>contextPath='/webCatalog' with requestURI='/webCatalog/logon.do' and >>relativeURI='/logon.do' >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying exact match >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying prefix match >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying >>extension match >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapped to servlet >>'action' with servlet path '/logon.do' and path info 'null' >>and update=true >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapping >>contextPath='/webCatalog' with >>requestURI='/webCatalog/orderSummary.do' >>and relativeURI='/orderSummary.do' >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying exact match >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying prefix match >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying >>extension match >>2005-12-15 15:20:08 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapped to servlet >>'action' with servlet path '/orderSummary.do' and path info 'null' and >>update=true >>2005-12-15 15:20:09 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapping >>contextPath='/webCatalog' with >>requestURI='/webCatalog/bugAgent.do' and >>relativeURI='/bugAgent.do' >>2005-12-15 15:20:09 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying exact match >>2005-12-15 15:20:09 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying prefix match >>2005-12-15 15:20:09 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying >>extension match >>2005-12-15 15:20:09 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapped to servlet >>'action' with servlet path '/bugAgent.do' and path info 'null' and >>update=true >>2005-12-15 15:20:09 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapping >>contextPath='/webCatalog' with >>requestURI='/webCatalog/orderSummary.do' >>and relativeURI='/orderSummary.do' >>2005-12-15 15:20:09 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying exact match >>2005-12-15 15:20:09 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying prefix match >>2005-12-15 15:20:09 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying >>extension match >>2005-12-15 15:20:09 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapped to servlet >>'action' with servlet path '/orderSummary.do' and path info 'null' and >>update=true >>2005-12-15 15:20:12 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Mapping >>contextPath='/webCatalog' with >>requestURI='/webCatalog/WEB-INF/pages/webSiteLayout/common/wcL >>ayout.jsp' >>and relativeURI='/WEB-INF/pages/webSiteLayout/common/wcLayout.jsp' >>2005-12-15 15:20:12 StandardContext[/webCatalog]: Trying exact match >> >>------CATALINA.OUT----- >>WARN [http-8080-Processor155] (ExceptionManagerImpl.java:138) >>2005-12-15 >>15:20:08,686 : Exception not converted: null >>java.lang.NullPointerException >>at >>com.unik.webcatalog.action.order.OrderAction.executeSpecificAc >>tion(OrderAction.java:669) >>at com.davecorp.webos.action.BaseAction.execute(BaseAction.java:270) >>at >>org.apache.struts.action.RequestProcessor.processActionPerform >>(RequestProcessor.java:484) >>at >>com.davecorp.webos.struts.WindowEnabledRequestProcessor.proces >>s(WindowEnabledRequestProcessor.java:181) >>at >>org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.process(ActionServlet.j >>ava:1482) >>at >>org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.doPost(ActionServlet.java:525) >>at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:716) >>at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:809) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.invoke(Applicat >>ionDispatcher.java:627) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.doForward(Appli >>cationDispatcher.java:382) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.forward(Applica >>tionDispatcher.java:306) >>at >>org.apache.struts.action.RequestProcessor.doForward(RequestPro >>cessor.java:1069) >>at >>org.apache.struts.tiles.TilesRequestProcessor.doForward(TilesR >>equestProcessor.java:274) >>at >>org.apache.struts.action.RequestProcessor.processForwardConfig >>(RequestProcessor.java:455) >>at >>org.apache.struts.tiles.TilesRequestProcessor.processForwardCo >>nfig(TilesRequestProcessor.java:320) >>at >>com.davecorp.webos.struts.WindowEnabledRequestProcessor.proces >>s(WindowEnabledRequestProcessor.java:217) >>at >>org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.process(ActionServlet.j >>ava:1482) >>at >>org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.doPost(ActionServlet.java:525) >>at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:716) >>at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:809) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilt >>er(ApplicationFilterChain.java:200) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(Appli >>cationFilterChain.java:146) >>at >>com.davecorp.webos.servlet.SetCharacterEncodingFilter.doFilter >>(SetCharacterEncodingFilter.java:141) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilt >>er(ApplicationFilterChain.java:166) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(Appli >>cationFilterChain.java:146) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardW >>rapperValve.java:209) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline$StandardPipelineValv >>eContext.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.java:596) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipel >>ine.java:433) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java:948) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardC >>ontextValve.java:144) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline$StandardPipelineValv >>eContext.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.java:596) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.authenticator.AuthenticatorBase.invoke(Aut >>henticatorBase.java:504) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline$StandardPipelineValv >>eContext.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.java:594) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipel >>ine.java:433) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java:948) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext.invoke(StandardContex >>t.java:2358) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHost >>Valve.java:133) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline$StandardPipelineValv >>eContext.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.java:596) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorDispatcherValve.invoke(ErrorDi >>spatcherValve.java:118) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline$StandardPipelineValv >>eContext.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.java:594) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReport >>Valve.java:116) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline$StandardPipelineValv >>eContext.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.java:594) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipel >>ine.java:433) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java:948) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEn >>gineValve.java:127) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline$StandardPipelineValv >>eContext.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.java:596) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipel >>ine.java:433) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java:948) >>at >>org.apache.coyote.tomcat4.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdapter. >>java:152) >>at >>org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Processor.process(Http11Process >>or.java:799) >>at >>org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Protocol$Http11ConnectionHandle >>r.processConnection(Http11Protocol.java:705) >>at >>org.apache.tomcat.util.net.TcpWorkerThread.runIt(PoolTcpEndpoi >>nt.java:577) >>at >>org.apache.tomcat.util.threads.ThreadPool$ControlRunnable.run( >>ThreadPool.java:683) >>at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534) >>ERROR [http-8080-Processor155] (BugAgentExceptionHandler.java:30) >>2005-12-15 15:20:08,835 : >>java.lang.NullPointerException >>at >>com.unik.webcatalog.action.order.OrderAction.executeSpecificAc >>tion(OrderAction.java:669) >>at com.davecorp.webos.action.BaseAction.execute(BaseAction.java:270) >>at >>org.apache.struts.action.RequestProcessor.processActionPerform >>(RequestProcessor.java:484) >>at >>com.davecorp.webos.struts.WindowEnabledRequestProcessor.proces >>s(WindowEnabledRequestProcessor.java:181) >>at >>org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.process(ActionServlet.j >>ava:1482) >>at >>org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.doPost(ActionServlet.java:525) >>at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:716) >>at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:809) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.invoke(Applicat >>ionDispatcher.java:627) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.doForward(Appli >>cationDispatcher.java:382) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.forward(Applica >>tionDispatcher.java:306) >>at >>org.apache.struts.action.RequestProcessor.doForward(RequestPro >>cessor.java:1069) >>at >>org.apache.struts.tiles.TilesRequestProcessor.doForward(TilesR >>equestProcessor.java:274) >>at >>org.apache.struts.action.RequestProcessor.processForwardConfig >>(RequestProcessor.java:455) >>at >>org.apache.struts.tiles.TilesRequestProcessor.processForwardCo >>nfig(TilesRequestProcessor.java:320) >>at >>com.davecorp.webos.struts.WindowEnabledRequestProcessor.proces >>s(WindowEnabledRequestProcessor.java:217) >>at >>org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.process(ActionServlet.j >>ava:1482) >>at >>org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.doPost(ActionServlet.java:525) >>at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:716) >>at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:809) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilt >>er(ApplicationFilterChain.java:200) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(Appli >>cationFilterChain.java:146) >>at >>com.davecorp.webos.servlet.SetCharacterEncodingFilter.doFilter >>(SetCharacterEncodingFilter.java:141) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilt >>er(ApplicationFilterChain.java:166) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(Appli >>cationFilterChain.java:146) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardW >>rapperValve.java:209) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline$StandardPipelineValv >>eContext.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.java:596) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipel >>ine.java:433) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java:948) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardC >>ontextValve.java:144) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline$StandardPipelineValv >>eContext.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.java:596) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.authenticator.AuthenticatorBase.invoke(Aut >>henticatorBase.java:504) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline$StandardPipelineValv >>eContext.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.java:594) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipel >>ine.java:433) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java:948) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext.invoke(StandardContex >>t.java:2358) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHost >>Valve.java:133) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline$StandardPipelineValv >>eContext.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.java:596) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorDispatcherValve.invoke(ErrorDi >>spatcherValve.java:118) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline$StandardPipelineValv >>eContext.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.java:594) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReport >>Valve.java:116) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline$StandardPipelineValv >>eContext.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.java:594) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipel >>ine.java:433) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java:948) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEn >>gineValve.java:127) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline$StandardPipelineValv >>eContext.invokeNext(StandardPipeline.java:596) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipel >>ine.java:433) >>at >>org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java:948) >>at >>org.apache.coyote.tomcat4.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdapter. >>java:152) >>at >>org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Processor.process(Http11Process >>or.java:799) >>at >>org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Protocol$Http11ConnectionHandle >>r.processConnection(Http11Protocol.java:705) >>at >>org.apache.tomcat.util.net.TcpWorkerThread.runIt(PoolTcpEndpoi >>nt.java:577) >>at >>org.apache.tomcat.util.threads.ThreadPool$ControlRunnable.run( >>ThreadPool.java:683) >>at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534) >> >> >>Martin Gainty wrote: >> >> >> >>>Good Morning David- >>> >>>What does the log say? >>> >>>Martin- >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "David Gagnon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: "Tomcat Users List" <users@tomcat.apache.org> >>>Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:40 AM >>>Subject: Tomcat 4.1.31, Weird problem. Once in a while an >>> >>> >>attribute in the session is not found... look like a RACE?! >>Is that possible???? >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi all, >>>> >>>>I have a really wreird problem. I have a web site and I get a >>>>NullPointerException once in a while because the >>>>WcPresentationConstants.CURRENT_RESOURCE is null. >>>> >>>>UkResource resource = (UkResource) >>>>param.request.getSession().getAttribute(WcPresentationConsta >>>> >>>> >>nts.CURRENT_RESOURCE); >> >> >>>>But this code arrive just after the user logs in. And just >>>> >>>> >>after we set >> >> >>>>the attribute. This error occurs every 3 or 4 weeks and I cannot >>>>reproduce it (So 99% of the time everything works just >>>> >>>> >>fine). This code >> >> >>>>is always run just after the user log in so there is no >>>> >>>> >>user interaction >> >> >>>>involved. If the error occurs I have a bug report sent and >>>> >>>> >>I print the >> >> >>>>object in the report. In the last bug the Attribute was in >>>> >>>> >>the REPORT >> >> >>>>?!?! (I remeber have seen a report where the same attribute >>>> >>>> >>was null). >> >> >>>>For me it`s look like a race .. but all occurs in the same thread. >>>> >>>>Is tomcat can do copy of session object behind de scene.. >>>> >>>> >>(maybe becaus >> >> >>>>of session reload ???) or is there anything in tomcat that >>>> >>>> >>can explain >> >> >>>>this (If yes, how can I avoid it )? I just don`t get it I >>>> >>>> >>chasing this >> >> >>>>bug for months now ... >>>> >>>>Thanks for your help >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>--------- >> >> >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
