I do a clean install of the tomcat7 folder and rename it to just tomcat, and 
without changing ANYTHING and without adding any old files yet, I start the 
tomcat service and try to get to the status page, but this time it won't even 
let me log into anything at all either, no matter what I try.

This is the tomcat7 fresh download links I used




I unzip the apache-tomcat-7.0.92-windows-x86.zip 
 and put it in the root of a custom web app that I have and then I use the 
service.bat install to trigger the services install, this is on windows server 
so I start it up in services.msc

I can go to localhost fine, but it won't let me login

I checked the tomcat user xml file a trillion times to triple check to make 
sure I have it right, but no matter what, even after multiple restarts, it 
won't even let me login to the status page!!!!!

401 Unauthorized

You are not authorized to view this page. If you have not changed any 
configuration files, please examine the file conf/tomcat-users.xml in your 
installation. That file must contain the credentials to let you use this webapp.

For example, to add the manager-gui role to a user named tomcat with a password 
of s3cret, add the following to the config file listed above.

<role rolename="manager-gui"/>
<user username="tomcat" password="s3cret" roles="manager-gui"/>

Note that for Tomcat 7 onwards, the roles required to use the manager 
application were changed from the single manager role to the following four 
roles. You will need to assign the role(s) required for the functionality you 
wish to access.

 manager-gui - allows access to the HTML GUI and the status pages
 manager-script - allows access to the text interface and the status pages
 manager-jmx - allows access to the JMX proxy and the status pages
 manager-status - allows access to the status pages only

The HTML interface is protected against CSRF but the text and JMX interfaces 
are not. To maintain the CSRF protection:

 Users with the manager-gui role should not be granted either the 
manager-script or manager-jmx roles.
 If the text or jmx interfaces are accessed through a browser (e.g. for testing 
since these interfaces are intended for tools not humans) then the browser must 
be closed afterwards to terminate the session.

For more information - please see the Manager App HOW-TO.

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