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> Subject: Re: 'for each' statements are only available if source level is 1.5
>  or greater
> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2025 18:32:59 -0600
> To: Tomcat Users List <[email protected]>
> From: Chuck Caldarale <[email protected]>
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>
> > On 2025 Dec 12, at 16:11, Mark Foley <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri Dec 12 14:08:03 2025 Chuck Caldarale <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On 2025 Dec 12, at 12:02, Mark Foley <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> On Fri Dec 12 06:54:21 2025 Mark Thomas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> On 12/12/2025 05:17, Mark Foley wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> <snip/>
> >>>> 
> >>>>> The "source level is 1.5 or greater" is on the web page. Here are the 
> >>>>> first
> >>>>> several lines:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> HTTP Status 500 - Internal Server Error
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Type Exception Report
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Message Unable to compile class for JSP:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Description The server encountered an unexpected condition that 
> >>>>> prevented it from fulfilling the request.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Exception
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> org.apache.jasper.JasperException: Unable to compile class for JSP:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> An error occurred at line: [17] in the jsp file: 
> >>>>> [/include/homePageImage.inc]
> >>>>> Syntax error, 'for each' statements are only available if source level 
> >>>>> is 1.5 or greater
> >>>> 
> >>>> OK. We need to see CATALINA_BASE/conf/web.xml
> >>>> 
> >>>> It will be big but better we see the whole thing to be sure.
> >>> 
> >>> Here you go. I've omitted all the comments and the 1,012 <mime-mapping>s. 
> >>> Note
> >>> that compilerSourceVM is explicitly set to 11. I didn't do that. It was 
> >>> in the
> >>> installed web.xml:
> >>> 
> >>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> >>> <web-app xmlns="https://jakarta.ee/xml/ns/jakartaee";
> >>> xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance";
> >>> xsi:schemaLocation="https://jakarta.ee/xml/ns/jakartaee
> >>>                     https://jakarta.ee/xml/ns/jakartaee/web-app_6_0.xsd";
> >>> version="6.0">
> >>> 
> >>> <request-character-encoding>UTF-8</request-character-encoding>
> >>> <response-character-encoding>UTF-8</response-character-encoding>
> >>> 
> >>>   <servlet>
> >>>       <servlet-name>default</servlet-name>
> >>>       
> >>> <servlet-class>org.apache.catalina.servlets.DefaultServlet</servlet-class>
> >>>       <init-param>
> >>>           <param-name>debug</param-name>
> >>>           <param-value>0</param-value>
> >>>       </init-param>
> >>>       <init-param>
> >>>           <param-name>listings</param-name>
> >>>           <param-value>false</param-value>
> >>>       </init-param>
> >>>       <load-on-startup>1</load-on-startup>
> >>>   </servlet>
> >>> 
> >>>   <servlet>
> >>>       <servlet-name>jsp</servlet-name>
> >>>       <servlet-class>org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet</servlet-class>
> >>>       <init-param>
> >>>           <param-name>compilerSourceVM</param-name>
> >>>           <param-value>11</param-value>
> >>>       </init-param>
> >>>       <init-param>
> >>>           <param-name>fork</param-name>
> >>>           <param-value>false</param-value>
> >>>       </init-param>
> >>>       <init-param>
> >>>           <param-name>xpoweredBy</param-name>
> >>>           <param-value>false</param-value>
> >>>       </init-param>
> >>>       <load-on-startup>3</load-on-startup>
> >>>   </servlet>
> >>> 
> >>>   <servlet-mapping>
> >>>       <servlet-name>default</servlet-name>
> >>>       <url-pattern>/</url-pattern>
> >>>   </servlet-mapping>
> >>> 
> >>>   <servlet-mapping>
> >>>       <servlet-name>jsp</servlet-name>
> >>>       <url-pattern>*.jsp</url-pattern>
> >>>       <url-pattern>*.jspx</url-pattern>
> >>>   </servlet-mapping>
> >>> 
> >>>   <session-config>
> >>>       <session-timeout>30</session-timeout>
> >>>   </session-config>
> >>> 
> >>>   <mime-mapping>
> >>> [snip]
> >>>   </mime-mapping>
> >>> 
> >>>   <welcome-file-list>
> >>>       <welcome-file>index.html</welcome-file>
> >>>       <welcome-file>index.htm</welcome-file>
> >>>       <welcome-file>index.jsp</welcome-file>
> >>>   </welcome-file-list>
> >>> 
> >>> <security-constraint>
> >>>    <web-resource-collection>
> >>>        <web-resource-name>Include files</web-resource-name>
> >>>        <description>No direct access to include files.</description>
> >>>        <url-pattern>/include/*</url-pattern>
> >>>        <http-method>POST</http-method>
> >>>        <http-method>GET</http-method>
> >>>    </web-resource-collection>
> >>> 
> >>>    <auth-constraint>
> >>>        <description>No direct browser access to include 
> >>> files.</description>
> >>>        <role-name>NobodyHasThisRole</role-name>
> >>>    </auth-constraint>
> >>> </security-constraint>
> >>> 
> >>> </web-app>
> >>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Also, the a web application with that error, we need to see 
> >>>> WEB-INF/web.xml
> >>> 
> >>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
> >>> <web-app xmlns="http://xmlns.jcp.org/xml/ns/javaee";
> >>> xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/xmlschema-instance";
> >>> xsi:schemalocation="http://xmlns.jcp.org/xml/ns/javaee
> >>>                     http://xmlns.jcp.org/xml/ns/javaee/web-app_3_1.xsd";
> >>> version="3.1"
> >>> metadata-complete="true">
> >>> 
> >>> <env-entry>
> >>> <env-entry-name>connurl</env-entry-name>
> >>> <env-entry-value>jdbc:mysql://localhost/members?</env-entry-value>
> >>> <env-entry-type>java.lang.string</env-entry-type>
> >>> </env-entry>
> >>> 
> >>> <env-entry>
> >>> <env-entry-name>dbpassword</env-entry-name>
> >>> <env-entry-value>obfuscated</env-entry-value>
> >>> <env-entry-type>java.lang.string</env-entry-type>
> >>> </env-entry>
> >>> 
> >>> <env-entry>
> >>> <env-entry-name>webuser</env-entry-name>
> >>> <env-entry-value>user</env-entry-value>
> >>> <env-entry-type>java.lang.string</env-entry-type>
> >>> </env-entry>
> >>> 
> >>> </web-app>
> >>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> <snip/>
> >>>> 
> >>>>> i don't know that i have "junk" in the conf files. i don't tend to be 
> >>>>> inventive
> >>>>> with these things myself. here's my whole server.xml file, sans 
> >>>>> comments. please
> >>>>> let me know if you see anything wrong.
> >>>> 
> >>>> <snip/>
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>>      <host name="www.horeb-wright3.org" appbase="webapps"
> >>>>>            unpackwars="true" autodeploy="true"
> >>>>>            xmlvalidation="false" xmlnamespaceaware="false">
> >>>> 
> >>>> set autodeploy="false". i think you will be getting double deployment.
> >>> 
> >>> Done, although it doesn't seem to have cut down on the number of log 
> >>> messages
> >>> generated in catalina.out.
> >>> 
> >>>> Remove the 2 xml settings. a) the belong on the Context, not the Host 
> >>>> and b) you are using the defaults so there is no need to include them at 
> >>>> all.
> >>> 
> >>> Done.
> >>> 
> >>>>>            <Alias>horeb-wright3.org</Alias>
> >>>>>            <Logger className="org.apache.catalina.logger.FileLogger" 
> >>>>> directory="logs/" prefix="horeb_access_log" suffix=".log" 
> >>>>> timestamp="true"/>
> >>>> 
> >>>> Remove the entire Logger element. It is unsupported and isn't doing 
> >>>> anything.
> >>> 
> >>> Done.
> >>> 
> >>> None of the above have altered the source level is 1.5 error.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> The unchanged number of log entries, coupled with the fact that modifying 
> >> compilerSourceVM has no apparent effect, makes me wonder if this Tomcat 
> >> instance is actually using the configuration files you think it is. It 
> >> wouldn’t be the first time that kind of non-obvious mistake has occurred.
> >> 
> >>  - Chuck
> > 
> > So, how would I verify Tomcat is using the correct conf files? 
>
>
> If you’re using a Tomcat downloaded from tomcat.apache.org, the startup 
> directories are displayed by default by the startup.sh script. Also, the 
> catalina.out and catalina.yyyy-mm-dd.log files show more extensive 
> information, including whatever is being used for CATALINA_BASE and 
> CATALINA_HOME. For example:
>
> 12-Dec-2025 18:12:09.237 INFO [main] 
> org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Server version name:   
> Apache Tomcat/10.1.50
> 12-Dec-2025 18:12:09.239 INFO [main] 
> org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Server built:          
> Dec 2 2025 22:57:41 UTC
> 12-Dec-2025 18:12:09.239 INFO [main] 
> org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Server version number: 
> 10.1.50.0
> 12-Dec-2025 18:12:09.239 INFO [main] 
> org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log OS Name:               
> Mac OS X
> 12-Dec-2025 18:12:09.239 INFO [main] 
> org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log OS Version:            
> 26.2
> 12-Dec-2025 18:12:09.239 INFO [main] 
> org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Architecture:          
> aarch64
> 12-Dec-2025 18:12:09.239 INFO [main] 
> org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Java Home:             
> /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/temurin-24.jdk/Contents/Home
> 12-Dec-2025 18:12:09.239 INFO [main] 
> org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log JVM Version:           
> 24.0.2+12
> 12-Dec-2025 18:12:09.239 INFO [main] 
> org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log JVM Vendor:            
> Eclipse Adoptium
> 12-Dec-2025 18:12:09.239 INFO [main] 
> org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log CATALINA_BASE:         
> /Users/chuck/Downloads/apache-tomcat-10.1.50
> 12-Dec-2025 18:12:09.239 INFO [main] 
> org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log CATALINA_HOME:         
> /Users/chuck/Downloads/apache-tomcat-10.1.50
>
> (The above is from a completely stock fresh download of Tomcat 10.1.) If 
> you’re using a 3rd-party repackaged version of Tomcat, things may well be a 
> bit different...

Yes I am using a Tomcat downloaded from tomcat.apache.org.
Here are my VersionLoggerListener entries:

12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.013 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Server version name:   
Apache Tomcat/10.1.13
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.013 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Server built:          
Aug 23 2023 21:34:59 UTC
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.013 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Server version number: 
10.1.13.0
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.013 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log OS Name:               
Linux
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.013 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log OS Version:            
5.15.193
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.013 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Architecture:          
amd64
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.013 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Java Home:             
/user/util/src/jdk-17.0.8
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.013 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log JVM Version:           
17.0.8+9-LTS-211
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.014 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log JVM Vendor:            
Oracle Corporation
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.014 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log CATALINA_BASE:         
/user/util/src/apache-tomcat-10.1.13
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.014 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log CATALINA_HOME:         
/user/util/src/apache-tomcat-10.1.13
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.014 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Command line argument: 
-Djava.util.logging.config.file=/srv/tomcat/conf/logging.properties
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.014 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Command line argument: 
-Djava.util.logging.manager=org.apache.juli.ClassLoaderLogManager
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.014 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Command line argument: 
-Djdk.tls.ephemeralDHKeySize=2048
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.015 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Command line argument: 
-Djava.protocol.handler.pkgs=org.apache.catalina.webresources
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.015 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Command line argument: 
-Dorg.apache.catalina.security.SecurityListener.UMASK=0007
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.015 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Command line argument: 
--add-opens=java.base/java.lang=ALL-UNNAMED
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.015 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Command line argument: 
--add-opens=java.base/java.io=ALL-UNNAMED
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.015 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Command line argument: 
--add-opens=java.base/java.util=ALL-UNNAMED
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.015 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Command line argument: 
--add-opens=java.base/java.util.concurrent=ALL-UNNAMED
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.015 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Command line argument: 
--add-opens=java.rmi/sun.rmi.transport=ALL-UNNAMED
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.015 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Command line argument: 
-Dcatalina.base=/srv/tomcat
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.015 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Command line argument: 
-Dcatalina.home=/srv/tomcat
12-Dec-2025 12:31:07.015 INFO [main] 
org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Command line argument: 
-Djava.io.tmpdir=/srv/tomcat/temp

> > I am keeping separate directory links under /srv/tomcat and when I move the 
> > link
> > back to the 8.5 version everything work. When I move it to the 10.1 version 
> > I
> > get the errors.
>
>
> Can you elaborate on that a bit more? Precisely what is in /srv/tomcat and 
> what “links” are you referring to? Also, can you explain exactly how you 
> install and start your multiple Tomcat instances?
>
>
>   - CHUCK

I posted this in a reply to Olaf, but I'll repost here:

These are completely different directory hierarchies with distinct
files. One is in .../apache-tomcat-10.1.13/ the other is in 
../apache-tomcat-8.5.11/
The 10.1.13 configs were not copied/modified from the 8.5.11 configs. They were
installed from scratch from apache-tomcat-10.1.13.tar.gz.

/srv/tomcat is symlinked to the 10.1.13 directory for testing and to the 8.5.11
directory for production. For example:

# ls -l /srv/tomcat
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2025-12-12 13:23 /srv/tomcat -> 
/user/util/src/apache-tomcat-8.5.11/

The 8.5.11 config files are distinct from the 10.1.13 files:

$ ls -l apache-tomcat-8.5.11/conf
total 428
drwxr-s--- 28 tomcat tomcat   4096 2025-08-27 01:31 Catalina/
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat  12895 2017-01-10 16:05 catalina.policy
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat   7202 2017-01-10 16:05 catalina.properties
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat   1612 2016-06-14 19:37 context.xml
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat   1338 2017-01-10 16:05 context.xml-orgJMF
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat   1149 2017-01-10 16:05 jaspic-providers.xml
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat   2358 2017-01-10 16:05 jaspic-providers.xsd
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat   3622 2017-01-10 16:05 logging.properties
-rw-r--r--  1 root   tomcat  14658 2025-12-12 12:08 server.xml
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat   7511 2017-01-10 16:05 server.xml-orgJMF
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat   2164 2017-01-10 16:05 tomcat-users.xml
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat   2633 2017-01-10 16:05 tomcat-users.xsd
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat 167259 2021-10-28 09:47 web.xml

$ ls -l apache-tomcat-10.1.13/conf
total 612
drwxrws--- 24 tomcat tomcat   4096 2025-12-08 03:26 Catalina/
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat  12926 2023-08-23 17:34 catalina.policy
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat   7693 2023-08-23 17:34 catalina.properties
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat   1447 2025-12-08 03:11 context.xml
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat   1149 2023-08-23 17:34 jaspic-providers.xml
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat   2313 2023-08-23 17:34 jaspic-providers.xsd
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat   4144 2023-08-23 17:34 logging.properties
-rw-r--r--  1 root   tomcat  15199 2025-12-12 12:23 server.xml
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat   2756 2023-08-23 17:34 tomcat-users.xml
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat   2558 2023-08-23 17:34 tomcat-users.xsd
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat   2666 2025-12-12 12:46 web.txt
-rw-r-----  1 root   tomcat 173384 2025-12-12 13:24 web.xml

To help avoid confusion I've completely removed the 8.5.11 everything. No
possibility that the 8.5.11 configs, webapps, etc. are somehow being referenced.
I still get the same error on the webpage.

It is now 23:39 EST on Friday Dec. 12.  I don't know your hours or time, but
I'll leave it this way for about the next hour if you happen to be able to try
it.  the URL is

http://horeb-wright3.org

I can't leave it that way indefinitely since this is a production system.

THX --Mark

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