2015-04-14 10:51 GMT+02:00 Hildeberto Mendonça <[email protected]>:
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <[email protected] > > > wrote: > > > hmm, > > > > so it seems the readme is not yet complete ;) > > > > Documentation is a continuous effort. Now we have a release, we will > finally give more attention to it. Did you miss something there? Any > difficulty that we can simplify? > > well surely the roadmap part and the template side is a bit "light" today (typically I need far more properties for prod - not for other environments. > > > btw tomee has a ssh connector with some commands ( > > > https://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/tomee-and-its-ssh-connector/ > > ). > > > > That's good material. Thanks for sharing. Btw, your first sentence there > "TomEE is a simple but great container." represents exactly the philosophy > behind Clojure. Good that we are not bringing something complex to the > table. It means, as a community, we may not "speak" the same language but > we think exactly the same way. ;-) > > Sure, my point was more about "merging" communities. Just checking github projects you often see "i rewrote it cause it was not in my language". > > > That said joining our efforts would still be good and even if in 3 lines > of > > clojure you avoid maybe 10 lines of java you stay "alone" in term of > > community and you can't assume you have clojure on prod machines IMO and > > that "prod" guys can write clojure - but you can assume you have java and > > that prod guys are shell expert, no? > > > > We are literally joining your effort, but in a different repository and in > another language. This is not a contribution to TomEE's code base, but it's > definitely a contribution to TomEE's ecosystem. We are aware of the risk of > having less contributors, but what actually motivates us is to deliver a > new functionality in the shortest amount of time we can possibly get, > preserving the same level of performance and robustness of the JVM. > > Let's try and see what is happening, maybe I'm not optimist enough - but well I'm french ;) > Btw, Clojure is just one more jar in the app ;-) When people install > TomEE-CLI, all dependencies are downloaded automatically. They don't even > realise that Clojure is there. When they pass the commands to the command > line they don't even realize they are actually programming in clojure. For > instance, install TomEE: > > That's more about default environment otherwise you are right. > // Install the latest version of TomEE web profile in the working > directory. > (install-tomee) > > // Install the latest version of TomEE Plus in the working directory. > (install-tomee :dist "plus") > > // Install the version 1.7 of TomEE Plus in the path /opt. > (install-tomee :version "1.7" :dist "plus" :location "/opt") > > These are valid Clojure expressions, as simple as command lines. We are > simply calling our functions there. > > Ask a shell guys, it is weird and when he'll get a syntax error it will not be obvious - once again just real feedback, tried groovy in prod as "interface" and was already too much. > I know, the actual Clojure source code looks strange. That's what I thought > when I first looked at it. But I can tell you that I'm not that smart, but > I was able to grasp the language in less than a month. I started learning > Clojure in January only during my free time, sharing this time with two > little kids under 3.5 years old, and now I'm releasing software with it. > When I became parent I realized time is my most important resource. I > simply can't waste it anymore. > > So, we will be happy when we finally have contributors, but we will be even > happier when we have many happy users \o/ > So you have to do .deb and .rpm ;). That's surely your best way to promote it without loosing guys on the road.
