No Igor. Software is never personal. war is personal, dying of my mother, father and youg brother bombed by army aircraft is personal but software sure not ;-)
If you can point me please to ANY of the disrespect sentences, except AL`s \"why are you still bitching about it\" please do it ... :-) Robo ----- Originálna Správa ----- Od: \"Igor Vaynberg\" Komu: Poslaná: 06.09.2007 19:36 Predmet: Re: Re: Wicket libraries > > On 06 Sep 2007 17:35:26 +0200 (CEST), Robo wrote: > > > > Stop it now please Al. You take oo personal aproach. Nobody forced you in > > responding. > > > heh, what you have to understand is that wicket is oss - so it IS personal. > it is something we work on in our spare time so it is kind of a hobby (a > demanding hobby). we do care about it a great deal. constructive criticism > is always welcome, but you have to have a level of respect on the lists. > > You make Wicket And I`m the user. If you do not like it do not do it. But > > there is some responsibilities about product you develop towards product > > users so do not confuse roles please. > > > wrong again. its the other way around. if you do not like it do not use it. > we do not owe you anything. we put wicket out there for people to use, no > strings attached. > > And besides that I`m also kind of customer As I paid for the book ;-) > > > you paid for the book, but we get nothing from that. so how do you connect > the dots? > > And besides that I several times said how Wicket is great is that not enaugh > > for you? :-)) > > > thank you. > > And btw I thanked to Gvyn at the end of my troubles as his responcese solved > > them. I do not thank before my troubles gets solved ;-) I`m not teacher in > > the dance school. > > > its not the missing thank you, it is more your superior attitute and your > lecturing tone. so in fact you do come across as a teacher. > > What I`m doing now is preparing presentation to my chiefs and currrently I`m > > coping with five frameworks amking demo apps and have two weeks for it. That > > is Why I`m not writing wiki and that is why I`m sometimes upset about lack > > of docs, working 18-20 hours per day ... > > > sounds like your chiefs are pretty dumb if they expect you to learn five > frameworks in two weeks, find a better job. > > as for the issue at hand, i believe the velocity initializer should be > rewritten to check if whatever it needs is actually on the classpath, and > noop quietly if its not. please file a jira issue. > > > > -igor > > > Java jars are nto at all complex beast. They become tricky in situation > > where you just put some of them inclasspath and they do what you normally do > > not expect. Lib should be lib and when not called by developer they should > > do nothing. Deliberatly breaking this rule makes the jars, beast ... :-) > > > > So Finishing this personal thread and thank you for much of your time ;-)) > > > > Robo > > > > > > ----- Originálna Správa ----- > > Od: Al Maw > > Komu: > > Poslaná: 06.09.2007 17:44 > > Predmet: Re: Wicket libraries > > > > > Robo wrote: > > > > Ok, seems removing \\\\\\\"wicket-velocity-1.3.0-beta3.jar\\\\\\\" from > > > > build > > > > path solved problem with velocity problem. But please explain me why > > > > removing package from build path solves the problem if nowhere in my > > > > Hello World code i call for any of the velocity packages. Is there > > > > some duplicities in packages or what? > > > > > > I expect because Wicket looks on the classpath for Wicket modules to > > > initialise, finds some in that JAR, tries to and then can\\\'t find one of > > > its dependencies. > > > > > > Modern Java apps tend to be complex beasts, with lots of dependencies. > > > If you insist on managing these manually, you can expect to have a fair > > > bit of work to do. That\\\'s why things like Ivy and Maven 2 were > > invented. > > > > > > > As to Maven2. It seems that like you in some way force developers to > > Maven2. :-) > > > > > > No, not at all. But if you\\\'ve deliberately chosen to manage your > > > dependencies manually when there are perfectly good ways of doing it > > > automatically, then we\\\'re not going to hold your hand for you. We > > don\\\'t > > > get paid to do this, you know. > > > > > > If you don\\\'t like Maven 2 no one is forcing you to use it. Use Ivy > > > instead. Or use the standalone Maven 2 Ant tasks for doing dependencies. > > > > > > Alternatively, install Maven 2, use it to build a quickstart WAR file > > > with all the things you need, and then grab the JARs from there. > > > > > > Any of these options would take you a tenth of the time you\\\'ve spent > > > bitching on this mailing list. > > > > > > > Yes Maven solves you some problems with dependecies and also si > > > > suitable for small project but at big projects it definitely fails. > > > > :-/ > > > > > > So Geronimo is a small project? And Jetty? And Apache Directory Server? > > > And Wicket for that matter? And the several-hundreds-of-thousands-of- > > > lines, 200+ dependencies projects we have here that use it? Jeez - I may > > > have a high horse, but yours is scraping the stratosphere. Sure, it has > > > some issues, but so does anything complex. > > > > > > The simple point is that for most people, Ivy or Maven 2 do what they > > > want it to do. If you don\\\'t like any of these automated tools and > > insist > > > on doing it all manually, you can\\\'t expect us to have all that much > > time > > > for you, as we don\\\'t get paid to do this, you know. It\\\'s like > > > you\\\'re > > > complaining that there\\\'s no documentation on how to hammer in a nail > > > using a screwdriver. > > > > > > > So please. I know you have lot of work with wicket, and as users can > > > see you have a good aproach. But please do spend some time to at least > > > write one chapter about libraries, neede dependencies and so on. If you > > > have licensing problems just make one clear site with core libs link, > > > dep libs link and explanation what feature they are enabling and so on. > > > And make some quick start page in which you explainn dependecies on > > > simple sample app :-)Do not take alibistic aproach of hiding everithing > > > besides Maven. :-) > > > > > > Why don\\\'t you write a wiki page for us? > > > > > > Despite the fact I\\\'m not being paid to be your tech support, I\\\'ve > > taken > > > some time out to give you a text file exhaustively detailing the > > > required dependencies for each of our modules, including the transitive > > > ones. I have done the work for you (not that you\\\'ve even murmured a > > > thank you), so why are you still bitching about it? > > > > > > > > > Al > > > -- > > > Alastair Maw > > > Wicket-biased blog at http://herebebeasties.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > Svetova kniznica SME - literarne klenoty 20. storocia - > > http://knihy.sme.sk/ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
