what you all seem to not be able to comprehend is that applications DO NOT come in a WAR layout. the war file is packaged together by combining different things from different places, and this is what the build tools are for (whether it be ant or maven).
-igor On 08 Sep 2007 22:33:06 +0200 (CEST), Robo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jesus. Time spended at this endless talk read and write could be spent in > writing one simple Demo app. Simple demo app reqest is very legitimate. And > my vote is for demo app without Ant, Maven also. Demo App just based > supposed basic knowledge of Servlet technologies, or just be familiar with > WAR directory layout. Wicket is realy very simple so it would be good if > this simplicity would be underscored also by demo app. Maven has its good > points and also weak ones. But generaly it is used mostly on company levels > and not on the levles of individial newbies. Most of them just know hov to > write servlet, JSP and so on. and this I think major part of framework > newbies needs to understand strength of wicket. Maven ads some virtual > complication to the proces that not many newbies know maven and when seen > first time they can be scared of it. So they can back off. IMHO one needs to > firstly understand basic concepts, based just on very simple premises like > beeign familiar with WAR and t > hen this concept could be widened by using maven and point out some > benefits of it. Maven + Wicket for firstimers can be simple too much and can > leed to presumption that Wicket must be used with Maven. IMHO > More didactic way maybe should be. > 1. Needed prereq of WAR file layout > 2. setup Wicket demo app on this knowledge. > 3. Descriv\\be what is behind curtain of wicket app on one simple wicket > tag decorator. > 4. describe how to enhance using Maven. > Wicket is framework which is fast learnable and I beleave when getting the > point you can write application within just one hour. More didactic aproach > to demo could lead to greater adoption > > As soon as I finish my work of testing some frameworks, this could be > within two weeks I can write some demo app with simple explanation taking > more didactic aproach :-) just let me know to whom I can send it, and the > format of the wiki. > > Confrontation at this thread is just useless ... > > Robo > > ----- Originálna Správa ----- > Od: chickabee > Komu: > Poslaná: 08.09.2007 15:06 > Predmet: Re: First Day Disgust! > > > > > Thanks for providing me the primer on web applications and Ant and for > not > > trying to understand what point I am trying to make here. > > > > Yes, we are not dealing with nuclear science here and Yes again wicket > is > > just another web application, Did someone disagree with that. I hope > not. > > > > Once you are out in the market to try the new webapps then it always > makes > > sense to have people be able to get up and running on the basics w/o > efforts > > and not to have to deal with tricks necessary to get basic app to work. > > > > A common expectation is a simple standalone app without > > Maven/Spring/Hibernate etc unnecessary stuff. Run \'ant\' on the command > line > > and here u have the war file, now, make a few changes to experiment and > > then run \'ant\' again to have modified war. Simple. > > > > Obviously the current example is for the comfort of wicket creators and > not > > for the comfort of prospective users and that is the problem here. > > > > Any one with basic common sense will get this up and running after a > day\'s > > tinkering around, but that can be avoided by adding simple things here > in > > the examples, that is the point I am trying to sell here only if there > are > > buyers out there with open mind. > > > > > > ======================================== > > > > Al Maw wrote: > > > > > > chickabee wrote: > > >> Thanks for the great idea. > > > > > > Note that this is displayed fairly prominently on the web site at > > > http://wicket.apache.org under \"QuickStart\". > > > > > >> It believe it will be good to put a few of the examples application > in > > >> their own folders and war files so that they can be studied > independently > > >> without the clutter of 20 projects. > > > > > > We used to have this, however, grouping all the examples into one > > > project has several big advantages: > > > > > > - Getting all the examples running in your IDE is much easier. > > > - We don\'t have ten extra projects to manage the build files for. > > > - We can easily link to all the examples from a single page. > > > > > >> Another thing I notice is that maven is the default build tool used > for > > >> wicket, I guess it will be good to provide the ant build.xml, just in > > >> case > > >> someone does not want full maven features. > > > > > > I think we need to write a page on this on the web site that we can > send > > > people to. ;-) > > > > > > An Ant build for Wicket isn\'t special. If you don\'t know how to use > Ant, > > > it\'s not our job to show you. There are no magic custom Ant tasks we > > > provide, or JSP pre-compilation steps, or anything like that. All you > > > need is to compile your app with the necessary dependencies, just like > > > any other Java app. You\'ll also need your web.xml, etc. just like any > > > other Java web app. Nothing special here. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Al > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/First-Day-Disgust%21-tf4405663.html#a12569457 > > Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __________ > BLOG - Váš denník umiestnený na internete, v ktorom môžete sprostredkúvať > svoje myšlienky, zážitky a nové informácie - http://blog.sme.sk/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
