Eelco,

Thanks for the thorough and thoughtful reply.  Perhaps there are things that
can be done in the framework with cookies and such.

I am going to be looking to additions to wicket.  I need to get the source
built and working in my local environment.

-Doug



Eelco Hillenius wrote:
> 
> 
>>  Another approach is to provide a more graceful session-expiration
>> strategy.
>>  In many cases, you could redisplay the original page (perhaps there are
>>  cases where the no-arg constructor would work).
> 
> A much better way of solving your problems is to work with plenty of
> bookmarkable pages AND use cookies to recognize that you could pick up
> a session again, and you could even for instance save the last page or
> pages a user visited in the last visited etc (I'm sure Amazon does
> something like that). You'll just have to plan carefully for it, and
> depend more on your own brainpower than to expect everything to come
> from the framework.
> 
>>  Finally, there are likely cases where parts of a page could be stateful
>> and
>>  others stateless.  In my case, even though I display a login form via
>> Ajax,
>>  it still should be possible to submit it in a stateless format.
>>
>>  Let me end by saying that I am a big believer in the framework. 
>> However, I
>>  feel the session expiration issue is a stumbling block.  I welcome
>> others
>>  perspectives on this.
> 
> The problem that Wicket tries to solve is quite hard*, and
> consequently the framework has gotten quite complex. The more we
> facilitate corner cases and try to be a framework that fits all
> imaginable problems, the harder the framework will be too maintain,
> and - due to having more options to cover - the harder it may be to
> use.
> 
> We've taken some serious looks at how to come up with a hybrid model
> and push Wicket into supporting even more stateless use cases, but so
> far these efforts stranded because the solutions we came up with were
> very hackish and would probably open up a big fat can of worms we
> wouldn't be able to support properly. Maybe we can improve things here
> and there (we're all for that!), but it is really important that
> people come up with intelligent solutions (patches would be great)
> rather than just stating shortcomings.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Eelco
> 
> 

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