why dont they survive?

i didnt mean that you should store the actual receiver objects into the
hashmap
just the properties and there values

johan


On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Lutz Müller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  yes, what i did is simply attaching a hashmap to my session where i keep
> the objects while the user edits them in a page. of course they do not
> survive session serialization this way, but it works for now.
>
> On Monday 08 September 2008 14:11:54 you wrote:
>
> > if your domain objects are not serializeable then there is no other
>
> > solution then to have
>
> > a copy or a hashmap that holds those things in mem for a few requests.
>
> >
>
> > johan
>
> >
>
> > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Lutz Müller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > > On Sunday 07 September 2008 00:00:15 Johan Compagner wrote:
>
> > > > Use loadabledetacheable models for those objects, in the load method
>
> > > > call the service method to get your bus. object back
>
> > >
>
> > > However , there is a problem if you use loadabledetachable with AJAX
>
> > > requests
>
> > > on your page. Model.detach() is called on every request, which causes
>
> > > your object to be retrieved from database on the next Model.getObject()
>
> > > call. This
>
> > > means you lose all changes on your bound domain obect on every ajax
>
> > > request.
>
> > > I found to solutions to this, and i like neither of them:
>
> > >
>
> > > a) use DTOs, which means a lot of code duplication.
>
> > >
>
> > > b) write the current object state to the database on every detach,
> which
>
> > > means you might store objects in an incomplete state, before the user
>
> > > explicitly tells the application to store what she or hehas entered.
>
> > >
>
> > > If anybody has a nicer solution to this, i'd love to hear about it.
>
> > >
>
> > > > On 9/6/08, FakeBoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Hello all,
>
> > > > > I am thinking about the best design architecture for public web
>
> > >
>
> > > project.
>
> > >
>
> > > > > I used to work with classic 3 tier architecture:
>
> > > > > 1. tier - tier of business logic (business domain obejcts)
>
> > > > > 2. tier - middle service tier or API to business logic (EJB,
> Spring,
>
> > > > > =>convert business object to DTO - Data Transfer Object)
>
> > > > > 3. tier - client tier (Wicket)
>
> > > > > A used to make distributed application where client side was not on
>
> > > > > the same virtual machine as middle tier, so copying from business
>
> > > > > model to DTO and back had purpose (reduce complexity of business
>
> > > > > obejct with
>
> > >
>
> > > many
>
> > >
>
> > > > > relationships, reduce traffic and it also solved the problem with
>
> > > > > serialization of business obejct - RMI).
>
> > > > > But now I am programming web application in which all these 3
> layers
>
> > >
>
> > > will
>
> > >
>
> > > > > be placed in the same Virtual machine. So now It seems to be
>
> > > > > pointless
>
> > >
>
> > > to
>
> > >
>
> > > > > convert/copy business obejct to DTO and back. So I would like to
> use
>
> > > > > business objects directly in client layer. Middle layer will be
> still
>
> > >
>
> > > in
>
> > >
>
> > > > > my app, but all service method will be return business objects
>
> > > > > directly instead of DTO.
>
> > > > > Now I am thinking abou problems that I will face to.
>
> > > > > 1. Some business object are not serializable - I tried to made some
>
> > > > > simple examples (ListPage, FormPage), and some little problem I
>
> > >
>
> > > overcome,
>
> > >
>
> > > > > but I must made my custom Model => TransientModel, PropertyModel =>
>
> > > > > TransientPropertyModel etc.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Can you help me to define some others problems that can make me a
> lot
>
> > >
>
> > > of
>
> > >
>
> > > > > troubles or try to give me your ideas and experiences with this
>
> > > > > issue.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Thanks a lot once again.
>
> > > > > Dave
>
> > > > >
>
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