Hi,
I don't quite agree ... Developers might see velocity, would they be end
user or not, of course.
But they might see wiki syntax even if they are not developers, because this
is what wiki syntax was created in first place : easy editing "in place"
with very simple syntax to learn (** for bold and such). Well I affirm that
without being really sure, but I always thought it was what wiki syntax was
about :-)
Of course wikis are more and more powerful, and some (not much) come with
nice wysiwyg like xwiki, so wiki syntax can be a bit more complex now as it
is more hidden to end users. And XWiki pushes this very far beeing also a
true applicative platform through macros velocity, groovy, etc. But I still
think that there should be some separation between heavily "programmatic"
and scripted content, and just plain or wiki formatted text.
To be clearer, you could have a home page with some descriptive text
(formatted text), and then the list of last pages updated in the wiki
(velocity). It would be clearer for end users if the call to velocity was
done through a macro call, or a page inclusion with {{include}} macro. This
way you can edit the page wysiwyg or wiki mode, and understand it pretty
well even if you're not a programmer, and modify the descriptive text if
you're authorized with little chance to break everything ...
Of course, if your wiki is read-only for everyone but you, it means there
will be no other end-users than you, and if you program you're supposed to
... learn wiki a bit more than regular users ;-)
BR,
Jeremie
2010/2/23 stefan bachert <stefanbach...@yahoo.de>
> Hi,
>
> I am an user of xwiki and I understand velocity.
>
> Maybe my users of my Wiki, which is an application of xwiki, won't
> understand velocity.
> However, they won't see it all. They will not even see "(x)wiki syntax"
>
> Stefan Bachert
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Von: Sergiu Dumitriu <ser...@xwiki.com>
> An: XWiki Users <users@xwiki.org>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. Februar 2010, 14:12:36 Uhr
> Betreff: Re: [xwiki-users] Macro in html-macro
>
> On 02/23/2010 12:48 PM, stefan bachert wrote:
> > Hi Vincent,
> >
> > Technical you are surely totally right in the context of xwiki
> > But try to see that stuff from an users point of view, not from a
> developers one.
> > An user want to use xwiki not to analyse it.
>
> And a USER would expect a macro to understand Velocity? I doubt that any
> regular user knows Velocity at all. I doubt that a regular user expects
> macros to be executed at a different level than the other wiki markup.
>
> > Look what the german wikipedia thinks about wiki syntax. No macros at
> all.
> > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilfe:Textgestaltung
> >
> > And the french version, discusses something which looks like "xwiki
> macros" but they arent.
> > http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aide:Syntaxe
>
> Comparing the XWiki wiki syntax with the one on wikipedia is not right.
> These are completely different wikis, with completely different purposes.
>
> > There is no common sense what "Wiki syntax" means.
> > So a better term would be helpful. However, it is not easy to find
> something better, all I am thinking of are rather a sentence than a word.
> >
> >
> > Stefan Bachert
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Von: Vincent Massol<vinc...@massol.net>
> > An: XWiki Users<users@xwiki.org>
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. Februar 2010, 11:43:49 Uhr
> > Betreff: Re: [xwiki-users] Macro in html-macro
> >
> >
> > On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Stefan Bachert wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Ok, I see it now, too.
> >>
> >> However, the attribute name "wiki" is very misleading.
> >
> > It's wiki as in wiki syntax. Macros **are** wiki syntax, otherwise you'd
> never be able to use macros when you write wiki syntax!
> >
> > -Vincent
> >
> >> I still get no link for "wiki syntax" to "macro".
> >> Maybe with internal knowledge this may brighten up.
> >>
> >> Stefan Bachert
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> Von: vmassol [via XWiki]<
> ml-node+4618020-1742651533-433...@n2.nabble.com<ml-node%2b4618020-1742651533-433...@n2.nabble.com>
> >
> >> An: Stefan Bachert<stefanbach...@yahoo.de>
> >> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. Februar 2010, 11:17:17 Uhr
> >> Betreff: Re: Macro in html-macro
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Stefan Bachert wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I figured it out now.
> >>>
> >>> {{html wiki=true}}
> >>> {{warning}}Warning{{/warning}}
> >>> {{/html}}
> >>>
> >>> setting wiki=true will enable included macros, too.
> >>> This is somewhat crude and not documented
> >> How can you say it's not documented?
> >> http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/HTMLMacro
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> -Vincent
>
>
> --
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