Baron Carter wrote:

> On 1:50 000 topo maps I have seen in other countries the contours
> were at 20
> m. Usually there are supplementary contours at 10 m intervals in areas of
> very low relief and where the standard contours are spaced more than 25 mm
> apart.
>
> I do not believe that this was some arbitrary decision by USCG.  There's
> bound to be a standard.
>

Baron,

I'm sure it was thought through carefully, and not just chose arbitrarily.

John, Paul,

I understand the article was more critical of the actual spacing than SI.
But there were a lot of indirect swipes at SI, lumping it with
"technocrats", "hairbrained flatlanders", "the metric system might have
worked" (as if it doesn't), etc. I tend to be dismissive of articles with
that sort of tone.

Nevertheless it's interesting to see USGS putting out topo graphs in SI!

Nat

http://www.win.net/dorsea/nehager

> Baron Carter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nat Hager III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, 27 July, 2001 14:33
> To: U.S. Metric Association
> Subject: [USMA:14661] Denver Post
>
>
> Now don't everyone get mad at once.  Remember, it's just someone who went
> into journalism, because he/she couldn't pass basic math/science.
>
> The important thing is just to monitor, and make sure articles like this
> aren't having significant influence on public thinking.
>
> Nat
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> Copyright 2001 The Denver Post Corporation
> The Denver Post
>
>
> July 24, 2001 Tuesday 2D EDITION
>
> SECTION: DENVER & THE WEST; Pg. B-09
>
> LENGTH: 870 words
>
> HEADLINE: Another mapmaking revolution
>
> BYLINE: By Penelope Purdy,
>
> BODY:
> The U.S. Geological Survey, purveyor of America's definitive  maps, has
> spent your tax money on a new system that makes the most  used detailed
> terrain maps, called topos, less useful.
>
> Few items are more essential to a backcountry traveler than  accurate
> topological maps. They not only show roads and trails,  they use
> colors and
> contour lines to depict steep hillsides, deep  canyons, rugged peaks and
> impassable bogs.
>
> Even in the age of Global Positioning Systems, a topo remains  uniquely
> suited for specific tasks. It is the end product of  centuries of human
> attempts to show the world in a useful way, as  much a statement about our
> civilization as it is of the physical  world.
>
> The most detailed topos used by the general public are 7.5  minute
> quadrangles. In the past, the 'seven-and-half quads' showed  terrain in
> 40-foot intervals, so if there was a 50-foot cliff in  the way, you could
> avoid it.
>
> Now the USGS has embraced a 20-meter contour interval. The  metric system
> might have worked - if the bureaucrats had chosen a  reasonable vertical
> distance.
>
> But 20 meters translates into about 66 feet, a vertical  distance that can
> hide an annoyingly large number of cliffs and  other obstacles.
>
> The upshot: The 21st century maps being created by the USGS are
> less useful
> than those it produced the 1960s.
>
> Surely the 20-meter standard was the harebrained creation of  some
> flatlander who has never stumbled through the chaos of a  mountain boulder
> field.
>
> A friend and I discovered the new maps' shortcomings  traipsing around
> California's Sierra Nevada. The particular  climbing route was fairly
> straightforward. The problem was finding  the (expletive) thing.
> We spent a
> quarter of an entire day  stumbling through the talus at the peak's base
> because our map's  20-meter interval lead us into several 40-foot
> drop-offs.
>
> People who love electronic toys may smirk that, well, we
> should've just had
> ourselves a GPS unit. But GPS has many  shortcomings. Batteries fail,
> signals die in thick forest cover or  among deep cliffs, and even the new
> gizmos are heavy and bulky  compared to a map and compass.
>
> Worse, a GPS makes a person focus on the gadget rather than  the world
> around them. I've been stopped on the trail by GPS users  who asked to see
> my paper map. I even witnessed hikers stand  around and argue about where
> they needed to go, when the path they  sought was a few yards in front of
> their noses.
>
> Now, consider this: While returning from the California  climb,
> my buddy and
> I hiked out by a crescent moon's faint light.  Given the awful time we had
> finding the climbing route, we wanted  to reach camp by a route different
> from the one we'd taken earlier  - a tricky problem for GPS, which records
> only known data points.
>
> But because I'd been glancing at a topo all day, I had in my
> head a pretty
> good notion of the terrain that lay to either side  of our original path.
> Thus, we could walk without using our  headlamps. Often in the
> backcountry,
> you don't want to use your  lights because they destroy your
> night vision so
> all you can see  is that small circle of light. And staring at the
> illuminated  screen of a GPS causes the same problem.
>
> Trouble was, of course, that the mental picture I had was  based on the
> USGS' new 20-meter interval, so we still encountered  several
> drop-offs - a
> problem euphemistically called getting  'cliffed-out.'
>
> You can sympathize with the mapmakers' dilemma: They need to  depict a
> spherical world on a flat surface, so there's always some
> distortion - it's
> like trying to detail a basketball on a postage  stamp. But if mapmakers
> pick the wrong mathematical formula, or  projection, the map ends up
> unsuitable for broader use. That's  basically what's happened to
> USGS quads.
>
> That's also what happened to a dude named Gerardus Mercator  who
> invented a
> decent map for navigating oceans in the  mid-latitudes. His projection was
> part of the massive 16th century  revolution in cartography, which erupted
> as knowledge of the  Western Hemisphere reached the emerging scientific
> caste in Europe  and forever changed how humans envision their world.
>
> Trouble was, people misused Mercator's map to form government
> policy, too.
> And since Mercator's projection showed Europe  disproportionately
> large and
> minimized Africa and other southern  locales, it skewed the world view
> widely held by generations of  politicians and school kids. It
> was a classic
> case of  misunderstanding the product of technology - for maps are as much
> about politics as geography.
>
> Today, satellites and computers are fomenting another  mapmaking
> revolution,
> the likes of which civilization hasn't seen  since Mercator's
> era. Maps are,
> in a sense, the very foundation  upon which our society has been built and
> continues to evolve.
>
> But like politics, sometimes technology embraces silly  notions. And the
> 20-meter interval is a classic case of a  technocrat's convenience
> overriding the needs of the on-the-ground  user.
>
> Penelope Purdy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is a member of The Denver  Post
> editorial board.
>
>
>

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