Thanks Marcus. Just reading my message again I would like to clarify something. I am not pro-regulationism. As we have seen in all Socialist countries of the eastern bloc, taking this option to the extreme is a catastrophe. Even countries like France experimented with too much regulationism and they regretted.
Like anything else in life it has to be a balance. It's like walking on a cliff. If go left you fall on the left side if you go on the right you fall on the right side. Only few manage to keep their balance. I am sure that if one experiments with too much liberalism one could share the same faith as the communist countries. Liberalism has to be limited to the competitive segment of the society which is the economy. My belief is that W&M is by definition a regulatory matter. And like with all regulations there is a reverse proportionality between the speed of the application and the amount of damage. (high speed=low damage) I do believe however, that there is strong need for explanations and public debates in which the public has to be explained why they have to go through this. A. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ma Be Sent: Monday, 28 January, 2002 10:59 To: U.S. Metric Association Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [USMA:17706] Re: Democracy and metrication This is a masterpiece! Thanks, Adrian. I couldn't have written it better myself. I'd just like to add another perspective to this. Progress has nearly always been the result of visionaries, individuals who had the guts to do things against the establishment, for starters. Also, "market forces" is a stupid lame excuse for human exploitation!!! We all know what that term means, the powerful controlling the less powerful. It's ALWAYS been that way. Only those with money, power, prestige and influence can carry the day in such salvage capitalistic environment. Finally, there comes a time when people MUST take leadership to do things *the collective way*! Imagine for instance if we didn't have standards organizations. Imagine if the likes of IEC, ISO, etc did not meet to iron out *common* standards to be **adhered** to by ALL! I haven't heard Jim's opinion yet on the work of these bodies, BTW. But I gather that based on his libertarian views that he *should* be vehemently opposed to that! If he isn't, then I'd be extremely surprised, because there is nothing more blatantly opposed to "individual freedoms" than the result of the works of these institutions!!! On the other hand, if he does not oppose that (apart from the fact that IMHO that would constitute a blatantly clear violation of the very principles he would stand for!), this should be one of our cues to effect change! In other words, perhaps we should focus our efforts on bringing these standards powerhouses together to get them to do what they have already done in network technologies that make up the backbone behind the success of the internet! Besides, it seems to me that governments do not usually interfere with such processes. On the contrary, they actually support those and pay lip service to whatever they come up with (that is, usually!...). Comments anyone? On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:43:57 Adrian Jadic wrote: >This is my answer to a series of messages with different subjects in which >several others and Jim Elwell were involved. I had enough time to reflect on >the matter Sunday afternoon under the sun in my backyard. Here goes: > >So Jim: > >I was basically thinking of your model of "non-interventionist metrication". > >It has very much in common with the non-interventionist economical model >preached by Milton Friedman and to some extent applied by the Reagan admin. > >In Europe, this is the basis of the Liberal currents and you will probably >find a Liberal party in most countries. Germany's Liberals have been >coalition partners to many mainstream parties for decades. (Now replaced by >the Greens) >FYI I am still a member of the Liberal party in my country, although I had >nothing in common with them for sometime now, and I disagree with their >position today. At one time I was convinced that this is the only way to go. >Twelve years later after I also lived and worked in Germany, Canada and US I >think differently. > >To get to the point: > >The non-interventionist theory is a very simple one and very "clean" if I >may. It basically says that the state should not attempt in any way to >regulate the economy. Very few regulating tools are accepted in this theory, >one of them is the control of the loan interest rate. (the Greenspan factor >:-)) > >What you are saying Jim is that you favor the scenario where the US Gov. >should not intervene in metrication and let this at the discretion of the >industry which will eventually recognize the benefits of SI and adopt it by >reasons of efficiency. A very democratic way indeed. > >What I think misses from this picture is the fact that the industry will >metricate because of their need to export and the overwhelming majority of >countries require SI products. If this factor was missing I doubt that there >would be any need for the industry to metricate because every company >functions by the principle of "minimal effort". So unless there is a CEO >like yourself (and there are not many like you) which favors metrication >there will be absolutely no drive to change the scales in a plant to SI >units. Why would they do it? To screw up production for months until the >employees get it? > >In other words your theory works only in the presence of markets like >Europe, Japan, China etc. which are requiring SI because they are already >SI. Hey, but these countries never adopted SI in the first place by applying >the non-interventionist model! They ALL adopted it by the regulatory model. > >My point is that I am sure that the non-interventionist model will not work >alone. > >It will most likely create a huge confusion instead. Why? Because in the >absence of regulated standards the industry will come up with "industry >standards" and the paint factories would market the paint's viscosity in >Krebs Units while the oil manufacturers will market their products in >Stokes. And so you will then find such a pallet of units that no one would >speak the same language anymore. > >Now to give you an example. > >I was born and studied in Romania. Our country went metric since before the >1900s. I have been through engineering school and I never heard of the word >inch or zoll or whatever. I had no idea they existed. Our country's >standards were modeled by the DIN standards for very long time. > >Since the fall of the iron curtain the markets have liberalized. New >products came on the market and one of them are the consumer air >conditioners. I was puzzled to find out from my brother-in-law that the AC >are rated in BTU in Romania. Attention, not even BTU/h! Needless to say, >that I asked him what BTU means and he couldn't tell. When I told him that >they should be rated in kW instead he looked at me in disbelief saying that >the consumption of the AC is already in W but the cooling capacity is >something else. Sounds familiar? > >So, my friend, this is what non-interventionism gives you. If the industry >is mainly focused on US market because all these units come from Asian >manufacturers which most likely mass produce for the US, then they have no >interest in complicating themselves with printing new labels when no one >asks them to. > >The next thing is that the population is now used with those units and if >ever the Romanian Institute for Standards will revert to SI units everyone >will be puzzled and there will be a good chunk of resistance from the >consumer. > >Bottom line, if all the countries in the world would be ifp do you think >they would ever change to SI just by the drive of the economy? If this was >the case not even Star Trek would be metric! > >Adrian > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com
