2002-06-02

This is no attempt to support Cuba or its present government.  It was meant
to show examples of the increasing growth of the Euro.

BTW, where did that 80 % figure you provided come from?  And where did you
hear the mint was going to change the colour of US money?  Are there
websites for this info?

John




----- Original Message -----
From: "M R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, 2002-06-02 21:58
Subject: [USMA:20330] Fwd: First Britain, now Cuba


> Hello John
>
> Please dont support Cuba in the name of metric.
> Castro has ruined the country in the name of
> socialism, revolution and all such nonsense.
>
> As for the Euro support,  China was the 1st country
> to convert some of their foreign exchange to Euro.
> Out of their 200 G$ reserve, they
> purchased 500 million euros.  I read this long time
> back and I dont have the URL.
>
> Madan
>
>
> --- kilopascal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > From: "kilopascal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [USMA:20325] First Britain, now Cuba
> > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 11:55:18 -0400
> > Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Cuba Resort Shifts to Euro
> > By REUTERS
> >
> >
> >
> > ARADERO, Cuba, June 1 (Reuters) - Cuba, thumbing its
> > nose at the United
> > States, officially put the euro into circulation at
> > its top holiday resort
> > here today. Receipts are printed in dollars and
> > euros, saving European
> > tourists the trouble of changing their currency for
> > dollars.
> >
> > Cuba, the first Latin American nation where the euro
> > is widely accepted,
> > plans to extend the use of the euro to all resorts
> > by next year.
> >
> > Washington has imposed a trade embargo on Cuba for
> > four decades and bans
> > Americans from spending dollars on the island. Cuba
> > legalised possession of
> > dollars in 1993.
> >
> > Also, read this:
> >
> >
>
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/business/business-markets-dollar-investments.
> > html
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "M R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, 2002-06-02 09:52
> > Subject: [USMA:20321] Fwd: Re: Fwd: 'Euro-creep'
> > starts slowly
> >
> >
> > > Sorry John
> > >
> > > You assume that Americans will sit and watch the
> > > Euro overtaking US $.
> > > No - for the following reasons
> > > 1. Already the Federal Reserve is considering
> > > introducing color bills both to avoid
> > counterfeiting
> > > and making it easy to distinguish. So it will be
> > > called 'greenback' no more.
> > > 2. At later stage they may change the size of the
> > > bills to make it even more easier to distinguish.
> > > 3. If needed they may even replace the faces of
> > > political leaders (like Washington, Lincoln, etc)
> > > with tourist attractions like
> > > Capitol Hill, Statue of Liberty, Niagara, etc.
> > > Can the Europeans match.
> > >
> > > If the Euro's strength really hurts US economy,
> > then
> > > they will go for the final act
> > >  'Replace FFU with SI' - hope you like this.
> > >
> > > Madan
> > >
> > > --- kilopascal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > From: "kilopascal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "U.S. Metric Association"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Subject: [USMA:20317] Re: Fwd: 'Euro-creep'
> > starts
> > > > slowly
> > > > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 14:16:04 -0400
> > > > Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > > 2002-06-01
> > > >
> > > > The increase of the Euro at the expense of the
> > > > Dollar will hurt the American
> > > > economy.  That is a fact!
> > > >
> > > > The US economy is heavily driven and dependant
> > on
> > > > credit and debt.
> > > > Americans are encouraged to spend frivolously,
> > even
> > > > if they don't have the
> > > > money to support such buying habits.  The
> > difference
> > > > is made up in buying on
> > > > credit.  It is not uncommon for the typical US
> > > > consumer to be tens of
> > > > thousands of dollars in debt.  And it is not
> > > > uncommon for said consumer to
> > > > pay little on that debt even as interest charges
> > are
> > > > applied.
> > > >
> > > > In most countries, such a state could not exist
> > > > without causing a total
> > > > financial collapse, as was witnessed recently in
> > > > Argentina.  But, America is
> > > > able to support its high debt by the investment
> > and
> > > > confidence the world
> > > > holds for the dollar.  The use of the dollar is
> > what
> > > > pays for America's
> > > > debt.  It keeps US bankruptcy laws weak,
> > allowing
> > > > for citizens to default on
> > > > their debts without having the effect of causing
> > the
> > > > banking system to
> > > > collapse.
> > > >
> > > > The US must take in 1.3 G$/day to support the
> > debt
> > > > of the US economy.
> > > > Without that income, the debt must be supported
> > from
> > > > other means.  One of
> > > > those means would be to amend the bankruptcy
> > laws
> > > > making payback of debt by
> > > > consumers and business a must.  No more excusing
> > of
> > > > bad debt.  Consumers and
> > > > businesses that must use their limited incomes
> > to
> > > > pay off debt, will not be
> > > > spending money on goods and services that
> > stimulate
> > > > the economy.  Thus a
> > > > further decline of the economy will result and
> > an
> > > > increase in poverty.
> > > >
> > > > This is why the Canadian dollar and other
> > currencies
> > > > are weak.  There is
> > > > nothing fundamentally wrong with their
> > economies.
> > > > The US government is just
> > > > as wasteful of money as any other government is.
> > > > Buy, Canadians and others
> > > > have no confidence in their own currency.  That
> > lack
> > > > of confidence
> > > > translates into a weak currency.  If Canadians
> > > > supported their own currency
> > > > in both Canada and abroad, its value would
> > increase.
> > > >  But, they don't.  They
> > > > belittle it.  If only they knew that by doing
> > so,
> > > > they are only hurting them
> > > > selves.  If Canada seems to be stable, it is due
> > to
> > > > the large reserves of US
> > > > dollars in their banks and businesses.
> > > >
> > > > So, when I say the increase in the value of the
> > Euro
> > > > and the increased
> > > > confidence in the Euro will hurt the US economy,
> > > > this is what I meant.  And
> > > > it should be that way.  Why should Americans
> > have a
> > > > free lunch and nobody
> > > > else can?
> > > >
> > > > American economists are frightened of the Euro.
> > > > They know the party is
> > > > over.  What they don't know is how long they
> > will
> > > > have to endure a weak
> > > > economy or what it will do to America's desire
> > to
> > > > control the global
> > > > economy.
> > > >
> > > > So, now do you understand where I am coming
> > from?
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Louis JOURDAN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "U.S. Metric
> > Association"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 2002-06-01 01:16
> > > > Subject: Re: [USMA:20292] Re: Fwd: 'Euro-creep'
> > > > starts slowly
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > At 20:02 -0400 02/05/31, kilopascal wrote:
> > > > > >2002-05-31
> > > > > >
> > > > > >After carefully thinking about your
> > conclusion,
> > > > I'm going to disagree.
> > > > You
> > > > > >are assuming that the dollar will remain at
> > 80 %
> > > > and the Euro will only
> > > > > >replace the present usage for the Mark, the
> > Franc
> > > > and the Pound Sterling.
> > > > I
> > > > > >expect that 80 % to dwindle, for the
> > following
> > > > reasons:
> > > > >
> > > > > John, I agree with most points of your
> > analysis
> > > > >
> > > > > >The exact amount of power the Euro will take
> > from
> > > > the Dollar is unknown,
> > > > but
> > > > > >rest assured what ever it is, it will have a
> > > > negative effect on the US
> > > > > >economy.
> > > > >
> > > > > but here I disagree : there is no reason that
> > the
> > > > euro damages US
> > > > > economy, on the contrary. What it could hurt
> > is
> > > > the dollar supremacy
> > > > > in international financial transactions.
> > > > >
> > > > > In any case it will be a factor of equilibrium
> > and
> > > > stability.
> > > > >
> > > > > Louis
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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