Hi Marcus: I still suggest you procure a copy of my paper: The Metric Second (1973 April) from Indian Standards or other sources, since what you mention is nothing more than your suggestions make more confusion by calling 2:50 hrs when actually it is 6AM. In addition, the following may be of interest: (a)How far Do We Metricate? Standards Engineering, Minnesota (USA); pp.10 � 11; 1973 October; (b)Socio-Scientific and Politico-Economic Revelation of Metric Time Reform: ABSTRACTS: (1)International Symposium on Time & Frequency (1981 February 12); (2)National Physical Laboratory, New Delhi (c)IDLE THOUGHTS: Standards Engineering , Minnesota (USA); 1983 December; pp 129 (d)United States Senate: Ted Stevens, ALASKA Senator; Book � Towards A Unified Technology; 1985 January 29 (e)Metric Conversion in United States: Letter to Editor; Standards Engineering, OHIO; V40 N2; p.47;1988 March/April I think I have expressed that i have left this long ago and felt someone did 'more spade work' to see what was possible and cost effective to be acceptable RATHER THAN create *confusion* beyond reapair. PERCENTIME proposal (10 or 20 hours) hardly took me anywhere! Brij Bhushan Vij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>From: "Ma Be" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Brij Bhushan Vij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: my 2 eurocents to the Calendar Reform >Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:19:27 -0700 > >I hope you won't mind that I'm taking my response to you in private only as >I do not want to potentially embitter my relationship with USMA's >moderator. > >Well... I'm not sure what sort of calcs you would be looking at to adjust >your proposal to embrace my percentime approach. > >Basically the value of the second would be adjusted to 86.4% of its current >size (instead of 36% in your approach). The average radius of the world >would be such that the circumference of the earth would be exacts 40 Mm. >The new cartographic grid would be divided in centigrades (0.01 gr) with >each centigrade being an exact 1 km. The duration of the day would >therefore be *exactly* what it is today to encompass 100 000 new seconds >now divided up as I proposed, 1000 seconds = 1 new percentime hour. 100 >percentime hours in a day and the deci digit could refer to the new >percentime minute as below. And there would be 20 time zones 5 percentime >hours apart. > >XX.X: First two digits in a scale from 0 to 99. Decimal place (after the >dot) would refer to percentime minutes. In case more accuracy was wanted, >two additional digits would follow (XX.XYY) to indicate amount of seconds >to make up a percentime minute (100, evidently). If you remember my draft >of an analog percentime watch there would be 4 needles, a couple to >indicate amount of percentime hours (necessary due to the fact that 3.6 >degrees would be just too small for anyone to be able to read), these two >resembling our current hour-minute couple size and shapewise. A third >longer needle for the minutes (this needle would move quite a bit "fast" >speedwise, 36 degrees per 100 percentime seconds!), and a fourth one for >the percentime second itself. > >Evidently the 1000 second per hour is all that we would need for most >general applications, so in this regard we would simply disregard the two >last needles and focus on the first couple, just like we currently do with >our current analog watches! However, in practice people would require to >mind the third one as about 15 minutes of time passing can be quite >significant (this is about the time this needle would require to complete a >full revolution). > >This proposal of mine may give the impression that the model is a >100-10-100 proposal, but it's only so as far as reporting time is >concerned. For calculation purposes it's evidently 1000-100, as calcs >would use the XX.XXX format instead. > >A last comment on this is that instead of using the colon or dot to >separate being hours and minutes and seconds we'd use a special symbol I >came up with, a small circle, like the copyright symbol, with the % symbol >inside of it. So, try imagining it thusly: > >HHoM - where the small "o" here is replacing the symbol afore-mentioned. > >The calendar reform business could be exactly what you proposed with the >6-year corrections on a 10-month calendar, the addition of the "new extra >week", etc. The only setback would be the impossibility of being able to >unite all calendars as far as what year we are in. So, jews would continue >to use their 6 thousand + year, Christians would continue using year 2002, >3, etc. Vedas their own, etc, etc. > >So, if you feel any additional calcs would be in order, please let me know. > Aside from what I described above there shouldn't be any actually. > >Marcus > >On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:06:26 > Brij Bhushan Vij wrote: > >? Hi Marcus and friends: > > I have had many such instances and I have been ignoring. It was the >last > >para that suggested me to close discussion and press *delete button* that >I > >thought, there were not many to realise the difficulties *through which I > >had undergone *that I suggested, some one took upon himself and WORKED >the > >'mathematical difficulties' that may lie ahead and work the PERCENTIME > >proposal for its application to make it a viable proposal for WORLD BODY. > > However, I am not for winning or losing any battle. But, WINNERS do not > >quit, and nor QUITTERS win *ever*. I have done what I could and am >willing > >to do if there is a 'worth' thought, for me to ponder over the QUESTION >all > >over 'once again'. Regards, > >Brij Bhushan Vij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>From: "Ma Be" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>To: "Brij Bhushan Vij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Subject: Re: my 2 eurocents to the Calendar Reform > >>Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:08:47 -0700 > >> > >>? Brij, I think you misinterpreted my remark. Sure, research is >serious. > >>However, if we find no pleasure in discussing the subject (or have fun!) > >>then why do we bother to get involved with it? So, my point was that >it's > >>*important* that *we like* what we do (research), otherwise dealing with >it > >>would be a dreadful thing, wouldn't it? > >> > >>Marcus > >> > >>On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:40:31 > >> Brij Bhushan Vij wrote: > >> >A scientist never writes for FUN; I thought you were serious! > >> >Regards, > >> >Brij B. Vij > >> > > >> >>From: "Ma Be" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >>To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>Subject: [USMA:21745] Re: my 2 eurocents to the Calendar Reform > >> >>Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:35:00 -0700 > >> >> > >> >>On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:07:25 > >> >> Wizard of OS wrote: > >> >> >he folks, > >> >> > > >> >> >why do you elaborate that topic to this extent. > >> >> > > >> >>Dear Wiz, as far as I'm concerned I find this topic fun to discuss, >for > >> >>starters. In addition, a true scientist should always be in the look > >>out > >> >>for solutions to age-old problems of humanity (it's just what and how >we > >> >>are! :-) ). We find that there is always hope to make changes >that > >> >>would benefit mankind. Who knows something MAY come up out of all > >>this... > >> >>;-) > >> >> > >> >> >The USMA attempts to realize what is possible in the US and not >what > >>will > >> >>never be in the world. > >> >> > > >> >>When it comes to technology one should never say 'never'... > >> >> > >> >> >proposing a new calendar is like the whole world proclaims adopting > >>FFU! > >> >> > > >> >>I, personally, beg to differ. If one finds a proposal/solution that >can > >> >>theoretically be proven to bring more pros than cons in the long run >and > >>if > >> >>it finds the support of key critical segments of society, who knows > >>common > >> >>sense will prevail? Hope is always the last to die... > >> >> > >> >> >this is a dream of stupid metric oppenents, people from the 1800s. > >> >> > > >> >>We're not metric opponents here and I'd like to believe that we're no > >> >>stupid, either, so... > >> >> > > >> >> >You should rather concentrate on real and POSSIBLE issues rather >than > >> >>wasting your time! > >> >> > > >> >>As far as I'm concerned, R&D is never a 'waste of my time', Wiz. But >if > >> >>you're not interested, fine, just please press the delete button in >your > >> >>browser. > >> >> > >> >>Regards, > >> >> > >> >>Marcus > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > >> >>Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > >> >>Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >_________________________________________________________________ > >> >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >>Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > >>Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > >>Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > >Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably >Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. >Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
