Hi Pat and John:
  Had this been considered and pound was 'taken' at 500g for daily 
commercial use; like we in India argued for *use of seer*, METRICATION could 
be imbedded into minds much earlier. Yes, for scientific operations and 
allied *exactness* the pound was to be 453.6g and used as such.
  It may not be late even today, if US industry is willing to gain from this 
concept!
Brij B. Vij

>From: "kilopascal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [USMA:21926] Re: question
>Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:41:36 -0400
>
>2002-08-25
>
>
>Pat,
>
>I see where you are coming from.  Britain, and thus its colonies, have, a
>longer tradition of having a "standard pound" and thus this 454 g value is
>more set in stone.   In all other countries where the various "pounds"
>existed and varied from locality to locality right up to the time of
>metrication, there was never an attachment to a "standard pound" and thus 
>it
>was easier to just set the value at 500 g without any worry about what it
>would affect.  And I'm sure there were few recipes written down or that 
>were
>that critical that the incorporation of the old measures into the new 
>metric
>ones didn't make much of a difference if they varied somewhat.  I'm believe
>that even before metrication, any recipe, either oral or written, would 
>have
>produced varying results based on where it was used, as the FFU varied so
>much across Europe.  In this regard metrication made recipes more
>standardised.
>
>I just wonder how many Australian recipes would be off balance if the chef
>used a 500 g amount when a pound is called for.  And since your response
>indicates that my comments are not strictly so, can I infer that there are
>significant cases where 500 g is used as a valid interpretation of a pound?
>I feel that despite Australia's history with the imperial measures, it too
>will succumb to the same "shortcuts" others have adopted.  Albeit the time
>will be longer before all requests for pounds end up with becoming 500 g.
>But, it will still happen.  It is just a matter of time.
>
>John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Pat Naughtin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, 2002-08-25 16:25
>Subject: [USMA:21923] Re: question
>
>
>Dear John,
>
>on 2002-08-26 02.16, kilopascal at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
><snip>
> > For example, if an Australian asks for a pound of ham at the
> > deli counter, the attendant will weigh out 500 g on a pure metric scale,
> > price it at 500 g and as far as the store is concerned only a metric
>amount
> > was vended.  The customer who has no clue as to what a pound is, just 
>the
> > use of the name, does not feel cheated if he/she did not get exactly 
>what
>he
> > asked for based on the American concept of a pound, that is 454 g.
><snip>
>
>What you say here is not strictly so. I will use your example to explain.
>
>if an Australian asks for a pound of ham at the deli counter, the attendant
>will weigh out 450 g on a pure metric scale, price it at the 'per kilogram'
>or at the 'per 100 gram rate', and as far as the store is concerned only a
>metric amount was vended.  The customer wants a pound. She is probably old
>and she knows that for her particular recipe (which her grandmother
>inherited from her grandmother) a pound is required. [It may also be true
>that she is young and that she has no clue as to what a pound is � but this
>is a digression].
>
>Australian butchers have no tradition that a pound is 500 grams, so they
>serve about 450 grams to those who ask for a pound. They know that they are
>serving to a recipe size and not to an ignorant person. No doubt, in 
>nations
>(say France and Germany) where 500 grams to a pound has been common argot
>for a century or two, the recipes passed from generation to generation have
>been quietly adjusted to suit the fatter pound. This transition has yet to
>take place in Australia, but I suppose it could.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Pat Naughtin CAMS
>Geelong, Australia




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