I agree that there GOT to be some methodology when the old must vacate the place for NEW and the incoming! The anti-metric crowd sabotaging metrication efforts must be given their due, BUT never to defeat Metrication and SI!
Brij<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "kilopascal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [USMA:23629] RE: metric inch
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:37:58 -0500
2002-11-27
For us there is no need to cling to those old terms. But, there are some
people out in the world who just can't let go of the past. So, in order to
make them comfortable with SI, and we need the masses to be comfortable with
SI, we have to accommodate their clinging to FFU for the time being.
We know that an abrupt break with the old is the most effective, but try
convincing the masses of that, especially when you have the anti-metric
crowd sabotaging metrication efforts.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brij Bhushan Vij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, 2002-11-27 16:57
Subject: [USMA:23628] RE: metric inch
> Marcus and friends:
> Do we really have TO CLING ON to the FFU terms like 'inch - metric or
SI'?
> What good is being achieved by circulating THIS on USMA servelist?
> Brij
>
> >From: "Ma Be" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: [USMA:23626] RE: metric inch
> >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:08:46 -0800
> >
> >On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:47:16
> > Nat Hager III wrote:
> > >Simple difference in tactics. You're "everything or nothing"
> >
> >Dear Nat, this is *not* a matter of 'tactics' or 'everything or nothing'.
> >Please understand and rationalize what's intended with moves like this.
> >The use of a "friendly" inch will ONLY cause trouble. Do you honestly
> >think that making this change will ultimately cause these industries to
> >finally let go of the hideous crap??? If you do, my friend, I'm sorry to
> >say but you're dreaming in technicolor!
> >
> >There can be no doubt about this whatsoever! What this is intended is
for
> >these companies to have an "easy traffic" within metric countries, while
> >*still* keeping this idiocy. A "friendly" inch would certainly overcome
> >these countries resistance to allow the sale and use of such products as
> >one of the main reasons for them not to do so is precisely the fact that
> >there is clear incompatibility between ifp systems and metric ones.
> >
> >For instance, 24" modules, which would translate to nice 60 cm pieces,
> >could *fit* nicely within any metric construction framework. But do you
> >really think that they would ***market*** such modules as 60 cm there???
> >Not in your lifetime!!!
> >
> >, I'm "wiggle
> > >my foot in the back door". Both pushing for the same end goal.
> > >...
> >Yes, we're indeed 'pushing for the same goal' indeed. But I'm afraid
> >you're seriously overlooking the nefarious consequences such changes
would
> >actually have on metrication. Please, make no mistake about it, once
> >resistance to the introduction of "new ifp" products is overcome, it
won't
> >be long till a **decimal** way of doing things get thrown out the
window!!!
> >
> >As for 'wiggl(ing) (our) foot in the back door', I honestly don't see
this
> >as contributing to it *at all*, but rather a very clever sneaky way of
> >bringing destruction to decimal thinking and metric-only labeling in
metric
> >countries.
> >
> >Marcus
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> > >Behalf Of Ma Be
> > >Sent: Wednesday, 2002 November 27 12:27
> > >To: U.S. Metric Association
> > >Subject: [USMA:23620] Re: metric inch
> > >
> > >
> > >Changing the conversion factor for ifp units to "nice" values like this
> >(25)
> > >is a recipe for disaster for our cause!!! Why? It's actually very
> >simple,
> > >once you make ifp "workable" vis-a-vis the SI system you'll be
> >entranching
> > >its use *definitively*. Once this "obstacle" is overcome companies
will
> >see
> > >no more reason to metricate! They'll continue to talk about inches,
feet
> > >and the likes **forever**!!!
> > >
> > >Therefore, a resounding **NO** to this suggestion.
> > >
> > >Marcus
> > >
> > >On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:20:58
> > > Nat Hager III wrote:
> > >>Metric inches are quite practical, given the current state of US
> > >conversion.
> > >>Defining the inch as 25.0 mm, it simply becomes a grouping of 25 mm,
or
> >a
> > >>quarter of a base 100 mm module. (much like 25 cents is a quarter of
the
> > >>base 100 cent module, the dollar).
> > >>
> > >>I was talking with a supplier the other day who was hard ifp. I was
> > >viewing
> > >>his inches as 25 mm modules, he was viewing them as self-contained
> > >>measurement units independent of anything else.
> > >>
> > >>We both were happy.
> > >>
> > >>Nat
> > >>
> > >>PS Teach this in grade school and you Balkanize ifp within 10 years.
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> >Behalf
> > >Of
> > >>kilopascal
> > >>Sent: Wednesday, 2002 November 27 10:21
> > >>To: U.S. Metric Association
> > >>Subject: [USMA:23615] metric inch
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>2002-11-27
> > >>
> > >>Check this out:
> > >>
> > >>http://slashdot.org/articles/99/09/30/1437217.shtml
> > >>
> > >>Look for the metric inch.
> > >>
> > >>John
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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