2002-12-23

Teaching of SI is the job of the schools.  However, teaching SI is not
enough.  There has to be a working knowledge that comes with hands on
experience.  I don't know, never having been a scout myself, how much
measuring is done in the scouting world.  But, if there is some, I think it
would be a good place for a scout (boy or girl) to get practical experience
in SI for what they may have learned in school.

Even though many of our schools teach may SI, the students forget it when
they go into the real world and have to deal with FFU.  The forgetfulness is
even more pronounced if the teaching method was very poor.  A teenage boy
who gets his first car will deal with distances and speed in miles and miles
per hour, gasoline purchases in gallons, and even speak of his car's engine
displacement in cubic inches, even though litres are common.  Without SI
references to work with, the knowledge of SI fades and fades fast.

Sporting events that are SI are most likely dumbed-down for the students.
As we have read earlier in a posting, even SI races are FFU-ed.  Maybe
because the runners are trained to keep times in FFU.  Not knowing how SI is
taught in the schools, or if there is even a consistent method of teaching,
I wonder how many students learn just conversion factors.  To some people
knowing SI means knowing how to convert SI back to FFU.  If a teacher
her/himself does not have a working knowledge of SI, how can they pass that
knowledge on to the next generation?  If the gym coach doesn't know SI, how
can he/she pass that knowledge onto his/her students?  Without an organised
and planned teaching method, all we have is half-ass knowledge of SI among
the students, which I feel does more damage then good.

The moral of the story is, we need the schools to be consistent in their
teaching of SI and we need the kids to have a real world feel for SI too.
Without both, the next generation will despise SI just like the all the
previous have done.

John




----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Ressel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, 2002-12-23 10:00
Subject: [USMA:24188] RE: Boy Scouts Merit Badge


Do Girl Scouts allow boys? There are boy scout programs that do include
girls. Explorers I believe are mixed gender.

I say leave the politics out and don't loose the chance to hit millions of
young impressionable boys about metric.  Not teaching  these boys metric is
not going to change BSA's national  policy's. (by the way, not all Council
by the way subscribe to the same viewpoint).

Howard Ressel, Metric Manger
New York State Dept. of Transportation, Region 4

Howard Ressel
Project Design Engineer, Region 4
(585) 272-3372

>>> "Matthew Zotter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/22/02 04:12PM >>>
2002 DEC 22 SUN

In response to kilopascal,

The BSA practices discrimination in three ways:
Gender discrimination: No girls allowed
Religious discrimination: No atheist allowed
Homosexual discrimination: No homosexuals allowed (mainly as the Scout
Master)
Because the BSA is a privite organization, the US Supreme Court allows the
BSA to do this.

I like the Girl Scout Merit Badge idea.  It would also promote science and
engineering to girls.

V/R
Matthew Zotter
SC, USA


----- Original Message -----
From: "kilopascal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 3:01 PM
Subject: [USMA:24176] RE: Boy Scouts Merit Badge


> 2002-12-22
>
> The BSA practices discrimination?  How?  Could you be specific?
>
> John
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Potts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, 2002-12-22 14:30
> Subject: [USMA:24173] RE: Boy Scouts Merit Badge
>
>
> > I would be opposed to that, not because it's not a good idea. In
> principle,
> > it is.
> >
> > However, Boy Scouts of America practices discrimination, which has
caused
> > them, for example, to lose much or possibly all of their United Way
> support
> > (39 United Way affiliates as of last March). Until they mend their ways,
I
> > would be opposed to USMA getting involved with them.
> >
> > What the USMA actually does, of course, is up to the USMA. I'm just one
of
> > many members.
> >
> > The Girl Scouts, on the other hand, do not practice discrimination. I
> would
> > encourage USMA to pursue your idea in their case.
> >
> > Bill Potts, CMS
> > Roseville, CA
> > http://metric1.org [SI Navigator]
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf
> Of
> > Matthew Zotter
> > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 11:04
> > To: U.S. Metric Association
> > Subject: [USMA:24171] Boy Scouts Merit Badge
> >
> >
> > 2002 DEC 22 SUN
> >
> > The American Society of Mechanical Engineers sponsors the Engineering
> Merit
> > Badge for the Boy Scouts of America.
> >
> > Other Scientific related merit badges are:
> > Atomic Energy, Chemistry, Computers, Electricity, Electronics, Space
> > Exploration.
> >
> > Do you think that the USMA would be interested in sponsoring and
> developing
> > some kind of SI or Metrication merit badge?  I wonder if the Boy Scouts
of
> > America would be interested.  Such a merit badge would influence young
> > people and their parents.  It would help get the word out.
> >
> > V/R
> > Matthew Zotter
> > SC, USA
> >
>

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