It might be interesting to note that when the NYSDOT converted to metric
we did not want to use soft conversions for pipe sizes for waterline,
gas line etc. We use a NPS designation known as Nominal Pipe Size. For
example, we will tell the Contractor to install a 6 NPS water line which
in reality is a 6" waterline. Storm sewers are all given in hard metric
but I am not sure what the industry is producing, I would guess in some
cases its hard metric, in others its a soft conversion and we end up
with a nominal pipe size (ie. a 300 mm concrete pipe is really 305 mm. 

Howard Ressel
Project Design Engineer, Region 4
(585) 272-3372

>>> "Michael Payne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/16/03 11:06AM >>>

It might surprise you to know that the common copper plumbing pipe sold
in
the US is actually hard metric, cannot remember exactly, I think the
1/2"
is 15 mm and the 3/4" is 22 mm, it's just called inch size for the
benefit
of Americans, no idea when it happened, but it's definitely hard
metric.

Michael Payne

> [Original Message]
> From: John S. Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: U.S. Metric Association <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 > Date: 16/9/03 00:04:09
> Subject: [USMA:26981] To what extent will the U.S. go metric?  (Was
A4
paper size...)
>
> 
> What about pipes, valves, hydraulics, and building materials?  This
one
is 
> hard to say.  For example, plumbers will be repairing and maintaining

> existing systems for about a century, so a full set of inches parts
will
be 
> available.  I predict that plumbing will not convert to hard-metric,
although 
> I hope I'm wrong.
> 
> 
> John
> 
> Le Lundi 15 Septembre 2003 19:45, Michael Payne a �crit :
> > I've lived in a number of countries, from memory both Kenya and
South
> > Africa are exclusively A4 paper countries as are probably all
countries
in
> > Africa with the close connection all had with Europe. I've also
lived in
> > the Middle East (UAE) where they use A4 and A3 size paper. Here in
the
US
> > many hotels seem to use neither Letter nor Legal size for bills,
obviously
> > getting specially cut paper to their own size. Bell Atlantic (now
Verizon)
> > used to use many sheets of very small paper, now they use some
larger
> > proprietary size, still smaller than letter size, much to my
annoyance.
> > I've found many companies in the US come out with odd paper sizes,
which I
> > normally get as a bill or statement. I'm going to have to measure
some
and
> > see exactly how big they are.
> >
> > Michael Payne
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: John S. Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: U.S. Metric Association <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> >  > Date: 11/9/03 23:08:17
> > >
> > > Subject: [USMA:26955] A4 paper outside of Europe & Australia?
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I've already gathered that A4 paper is ubiquitous in Europe and
> >
> > Australia, and
> >
> > > that "letter" is the standard in North America.
> > >
> > > Would those few folks on this list who are NOT from Europe,
North
> >
> > America, or
> >
> > > Australia tell me if the ISO A series paper sizes (e.g., A4) are
standard
> >
> > in
> >
> > > your countries?  India?  South America?  Asia?  Africa?  Middle
East?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > John
> >
> > --- Michael Payne
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