On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:20:21   
 Carter, Baron wrote:
>...Altitude separations of 500 m would be too great.  It would be a 'waste' of
>space.

Perhaps so, indeed.  However, this could be adequate for very sparse airspace, like 
above 10, 12 km altitudes.

I lean towards the use of 250 m myself, but I know these two (250 or 500 m) are used 
out there.

>  Current separations in the US below 18 000 ft are 500 ft (includes
>VFR and IFR)...

?  Really?  We have no such a thing in Brazil.  It's always in wholes of 1 000.

My personal take?  150 m is too close for comfort for me!  I can't honestly see a need 
for anything below 250, or maybe 200 m.

>IFR and VFR traffic are separated by the hemispherical rules:
>       000-179 VFR odd thousands +500          IFR odd thousands
>       180-359 VFR even thousands + 500        IFR even thousands
>
Yes, I evidently forgot to mention about that.  Good reminder.

>To maintain the current separations would require a unit of about 150 m.

On the other hand with the advent of GPS technologies I can probably see a tolerance 
of 100 m as potentially workable.  However except for areas of very high traffic and 
huge airplanes.  I doubt my colleagues would be at ease flying an A380 (550+ 
passengers) around New York with separations of even 150 m...  :-S

>This is not a good factor for multiples.  The odds and evens rule could not
>easily be applied as this would only give 100 m separation without provision
>for VFR and IFR separation.  Which, applying the same concept, would give
>only 50 m separation.  This is not good as we need 150 m separation.  To
>keep the same standards we have now we would require 300 m separation with
>150 m tacked on for the VFR guys.  Now we have reached Marcus' point - there
>is no easy rule (odds/even (+500).  Pilots need KISS.
>
Hmm...  I'd have to mull over this some more.  In any case, 250 m looks adequate to me 
for safety reasons as we would still have quite a few aircraft out there flying analog 
types of instruments for many years to come yet.

>...cheers
>Baron Carter
>CFI,CFII,MEI 
>...
Thanks, Baron, for your invaluable contribution.  The summary of all this discussion 
is this though: It IS possible, feasible, etc, to fly metric *for sure*.  All we need 
is a little less patronage from US authorities when it comes to international flying.

I just wished organizations like FAA, IATA, etc, left the flying community alone to 
make their own choices vis-a-vis this...  ;-)

Marcus


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