On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:42:16  
 James Frysinger wrote:
>...
>> ???  What is this, some sneaky campaign to force people to be a USMA member
>> or something???  :-S
>
>       Not "force", "encourage".
>
Yeah, right...

>> I honestly don't get it.  Isn't this forum also about providing public
>> information?  Sorry for the rant, Jim, but I can't understand your apparent
>> refusal to provide us with essential/critical info on this.
>
>       No. This forum is provide a place for people to exchange ideas and thoughts.

I wholeheartedly disagree!!  Not only the above but ALSO *information* that we may 
otherwise be able to obtain somewhere else.

I fail (again, I repeat) to understand why someone would withhold information on this 
important development.  What for?  So you could "charge" us (SIC) "big bucks" for it???

Puzzling, mind boggling, to say the least...  (more below)
 
>My thought is that you should consider supporting the organization that 
>causes this free discussion list to exist, a list that you seem to use 
>extensively.
>
Yes, I do use it extensively, but I'm under NO obligation to spend money to 
participate in it, just like people wouldn't for many other types of newsgroups around!

>       I paid for a train ticket to and from Washington, DC to attend this forum, 
>which I attended on behalf of Metric Methods.

?  Big deal!  If I had the chance to attend this I definitely would AND spend money 
out of my own pocket.  And I wouldn't be complaining about it as it would be MY own 
interest to do so!

> As a consultant I am willing to 
>write you a report --- at consultant rates --- giving you a summary of the 
>meeting. Of course in addition to paying me a few hundred dollars you would 
>have to sign a non-disclosure agreement not to disseminate my report, else 
>you would have to pay much, much more. Frankly, the USMA membership would be 
>a better deal.
>
???  Sorry for saying this but the above is so ludicrous and outrageous that it 
wouldn't deserve my wasting my time commenting on it!

:-(

I can't believe my ears that providing information on a *forum* would bear such 
outrageous costs ('hundreds of dollars'???  I'm sorry, but you're out of your mind, 
pal).

Besides, if this thing was open to the media (and I have no reason to believe it 
wouldn't!) one could certainly obtain the scoop *anyways* for free!

>       How critcal can this information be to you?

If you can't find "criticality" on a development that is absolutely crucial for the 
implementation of metric-only labels, then I don't know what would!

> Is it $35 worth of critical, $30 
>for U.S. residents? Then join USMA.

Sigh...  Here you go, again, proving my very point (that what you really wanted was to 
"sell" the idea of joining the USMA...  ;-)   ).

> Some folks support metrication by orating 
>from atop other people's soapboxes. Others put their money behind what they 
>believe in.
>...
?  I don't like and resent what you appear to suggest here, Jim.  I've *always* put my 
money where my mouth is (hundreds of dollars a year and countless time spent over this 
issue.  This has even been a serious cause of stress in my own marriage)!  Even at the 
risk of losing friendships and jeopardizing other relationships I hold dear!!!  So, 
don't come lecture me about 'putting... money behind what (I) believe in', sir!!!  :-(

Alas, oh, well, perhaps someone else will show more courtesy here and share 
information on this forum.  Otherwise, fine, let it be.

Marcus


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