We should remember that the phonograph record has been completely supplanted
by the compact disc, which is made to a hard metric standard (15 mm hole, 80
or 120 mm diameter).

Undoubtedly someone out there will know of an obscure person or company
still making records ...

Carleton


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Brij Bhushan Vij
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 01:05
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:28096] SOOT - the Unit RE: Phonograph records

Sirs:
The purpose of achieving target for implementation of Metrication shall
remain defeated/deferred till HARD CONVERSION to soft adjustments is NOT
granted OKay, like: 12", 10" and 7" records be considered/advertised 302 mm,
251 mm and 175 mm respectively although these continue to be 301.625 mm. 10"
is 250.825 mm. 7" is 174.625 mm; for pipelining the NEW manufacturing
process to adopt rationalisation.
Steps in inrement of 1/8th inch is a unit that was called SOOT, in India,
and used where 'inches prevail'.
Yes, much depend on industrial houses to accept promotion of the METRIC
usage.

Brij Bhushan Vij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20040102/11:34 AM(IST)
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>From: "Bill Potts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [USMA:28095] RE: Phonograph records
>Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 21:25:00 -0800
>
>The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) has a standard. It's
>at
>http://www.aardvarkmastering.com/riaa.htm.
>
>Not surprisingly, it's not metric. However, so-called 12", 10" and 7"
>records are all slightly smaller than their usual designations would
>indicate. The nominal diameter of a 12" record works out to be 301.625 mm.
>10" is 250.825 mm. 7" is 174.625 mm.
>
>Interestingly, nominal diameter is always 1/8" less than advertised
>diameter, with a tolerance in the positive direction only of 1/32" (0.794
>mm).
>
>Bill Potts, CMS
>Roseville, CA
>http://metric1.org [SI Navigator]
>
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Behalf
>Of Chimpsarecute
>   Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 21:11
>   To: U.S. Metric Association
>   Subject: [USMA:28094] Phonographic records
>
>
>   A discussion came up recently about LPs.  The other person insisted that
>a
>12 inch LP actually measures 12 inches.  So I got out a few of my old ones
>and measured them with calipers.  I found that the American ones I have all
>measure in at 302 mm.  Not the almost 305 mm need to be 12 inches.
>
>   I also have some German records and they measure exactly 300 mm.  When I
>place a German one on top of an American one, I can see the German one is
>slightly smaller and if I run my finger around the edge of the two I can
>feel the difference.
>
>   I also measured some old 78s and found them to be 250 mm and the old 45s
>to be 173 mm.
>
>   I doubt there ever was an ISO or similar standard for records.   I tried
>researching it on the net, but nothing came up.  I saw constant references
>to the 12 inches used as a trade name, but no standard defining the 12
>inches to be written in stone.
>
>   Can anyone here who has old records do a quick check on theirs to see if
>my measurements agree with yours?  Does anyone have an actual 305 mm
>record?
>Are all of your records consistant in diameter?
>
>   It would be real nice if someone from the UK, Canada, Australia, the EU
>etc would measure theirs and see if they are a real 12 inches or not.   The
>same for the 45s and 78s too.
>
>   And please don't tell me that records are obsolete and it doesn't matter
>what size they were.
>
>   Thanks,
>
>   Euric

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