Dear All (especially the Physicists),

Recently I posted a message (copy below) where I constructed a unit to show
a ratio between power and mass of some common, and some not so common, cars.
The unit I chose was watts per kilogram with W/kg as the symbol.

Since then, I have noticed references to another equivalent, but inverse
unit to show the ratio between mass and power. This unit is given as
kilograms per kilowatt with kg/kW as the symbol.

I suspect that, given mass in kilograms and power in kilowatts (as supplied
by the car makers), that the latter unit, kilograms per kilowatt, is easier
to calculate. I had to do an extra step to change kilowatts to watts before
I could calculate the power/mass ratio in watts per kilogram.

I prefer my construction for a number of reasons even though the calculation
is slightly more difficult.

One reason I prefer watts per kilogram is that the power unit, watts, is a
derived unit 'with a special name', and as such it is of a more complex
conceptual nature than the mass unit, kilogram, which as a base SI unit, is
of a simpler concept and form.

Is there a preference in SI, or in ISO, for units that have base units in
the denominator, or is there no preference, or guidance, either way?

The reason I ask this question is that I worked in the textile industry for
some years and they had got into a real muddle by having 'direct units' and
'indirect' or 'inverse units' for many otherwise simple concepts with simple
measures. As an example think of the linear density of a weaving yarn that
might be described in metres per kilogram, or in kilograms per metre. Once
you have these two choices it is a simple step to add (more or less
randomly) some more prefixes to get millimetres per gram, metres per
centigram, centimetres per gram, etc, etc, etc. Their life would be a lot
simpler if:
a   they stuck to SI units and preferred SI prefixes (in 1000s), and
b   they had some guidance as to which way is up (when the choose to use a
unit by division).

Cheers,

Pat Naughtin LCAMS
Geelong, Australia
-- 

Dear All,

This is an extension to my previous posting. I adapted some of the pounds
and horsepower figures from the internet to produce this 'Rule of thumb'.

Rule of thumb

If you want a rule of thumb for buying cars, you can calculate the
power-to-weight ratio for the cars you're interested in.

For example the Australian model Ford Falcon that my wife drives is quite
adequate around town and on the highway. It has enough acceleration to avoid
most risky overtaking situations.

Using this as a rough guideline, anything in the neighbourhood of 100 watts
per kilogram should be worth considering as your next vehicle. Of course if
money is no object, you might consider some of these other models. The solar
model car is inserted for reference only � not for driving to work � yet!
 
 
  Model                         power           mass            power/mass
  Solar model car           6.6 W           1.2 kg          5.5 W/kg
  Dodge Caravan (4 cyl) 112 kW   1755 kg          64 W/kg
  Ford Escort                   82 kW       1120 kg         73 W/kg
  Ford Falcon (Australia) 157 kW    1515 kg         104 W/kg
  Nissan Altima               130 kW     1385 kg          94 W/kg
  Mitsubishi 3000GT      239 kW       1700 kg       140 W/kg
  Porsche Carrera           224 kW      1315 kg         170 W/kg
  Chevrolet Corvette        257 kW   1470 kg            175 W/kg
  Lotus Esprit V8               261 kW   1380 kg            189 W/kg
  Shelby Series 1               239 kW   1160 kg            206 W/kg
  Ferrari 355 F1                280 kW   1350 kg            207 W/kg
  Dodge Viper                   336 kW   1506 kg            223 W/kg
 
Cheers,

Pat Naughtin LCAMS
Geelong, Australia
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on 2004-07-20 10.04, Pat Naughtin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Dear All,
> 
> Recently, I read that the winning solar model car, with a chassis mass of
> 1.2�kilograms, had a power to weight ratio of 5.5�W/kg. This referred to a
> solar car challenge held in Melbourne in 2003.
> 
> Does anyone know of equivalent figures for real cars, trucks and planes?
> 
> The only figures that I could find on the internet referred to pounds and
> horsepower.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Pat Naughtin LCAMS
> Geelong, Australia

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