I'm not sure the concrete industry is successful at using concrete when
most of the Construction industry is not metric. Cast in place is no big
deal as concrete can be batched in metric or English with the fiip of a
switch. Precast products are another thing entirely. 

I equate this to the use of nominal units for pipe and other legacy
products. If we force each industry to convert at significant cost in
retooling then they will resist  more and more and this Country will
NEVER convert. We need to do it in a kinder gentler fashion. Can you
imagine saying that every pipe sold in the US must be metric? Now mind
you that might mean that  next time you want to upgrade your waterline
you have to rip it all out and build new because the old stuff and new
stuff wont' be compatible.  I don't think the pubic will ever buy that.
Do you think that countries that have previously converted (IE. Canada,
Australia, England) use hard metric for everything? More likely most of
their products are nominal sizes. I think this is all this legislation
is saying. 

Howard Ressel
Project Design Engineer, Region 4
(585) 272-3372

>>> mavi fibe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/20/2004 9:23:22 PM >>>
Can someone here please explain to us what's going on
here with this thing?  I really don't get it.  Is this
another step backwards or what?  Does that mean the
concrete industry which apparently was being
successful at using metric is now being forced NOT to
use metric ever again?

Thanks for the clarification anyone (maybe the likes
of Ezra and Howard... could shed some light here,
please).

Marcus

 --- Euric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Wouldn't it be a kick in the backside of some
> entrepreneur would start up a 
> chain of metric masonry companies in key markets and
> sell metric products 
> that are better and more cost effective then the
> imperial ones?
> 
> Another thing, I hope this action of Congress
> doesn't put them in the mood 
> to defeat the FPLA amendment when it comes before
> them.
> 
> Euric
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "m.f.moon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, 2004-11-20 10:22
> Subject: [USMA:31489] Re: Greenspan (but not
> Congress!) may help America 
> metricate
> 
> 
> > Actually, concrete product are mostly locally made
> as the shipping costs 
> > are
> > very high and importation is not likely. Best
> change this one rather than
> > count on imports.
> > Marion Moon
> >
> > ------ Original Message ------
> > Received: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 06:13:54 AM PST
> > From: "Euric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [USMA:31488] Re: Greenspan (but not
> Congress!) may help America
> > metricate
> >
> > Scott Weber, NCMA Chairman and president of
> Basalite Concrete Products in
> > Dixon, CA, said "Congress' action will do more
> than protect American
> > concrete masonry manufacturers.
> >
> > Actually untrue!  Metric masonry products can then
> be purchased from 
> > foreign
> > sources.  But this assumes that their will be a
> demand for metric masonry
> > products, which I doubt there will be unless there
> are a lot more people 
> > out
> > there who think like us.  American companies will
> not be able to export
> > their products and thus can actually lose money. 
> They are gambling on the
> > premise that the domestic market is sufficient for
> their needs.  But with
> > interest rates destined to rise there is going to
> be a slump in
> > construction.  Without the ability to export their
> products they will find
> > themselves hurting really badly.
> >
> >
> > It will also forestall huge, unnecessary costs for
> construction that would
> > certainly be passed on to taxpayers. That's
> something we don't need as the
> > country struggles with a rising federal deficit."
> >
> > It would only delay the inevitable.  The so-called
> costs are one time and
> > would create a product that can be exported.  The
> only way to end the
> > deficits is to sell more products then you buy and
> to do that you have to
> > sell products that are marketable in the rest of
> the world.  Some people
> > just like digging their own graves.
> >
> > Euric
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jason Darfus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, 2004-11-20 00:51
> > Subject: [USMA:31486] Re: Greenspan (but not
> Congress!) may help America
> > metricate
> >
> >
> >> One might hope, but from the news that came out
> Friday it seems the 
> >> powers
> >> that be can't see beyond profits to be made in
> the near term by cutting
> >> "huge unnecessary costs..."
> >>
> >> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041119/dcf012_1.html 
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 19, 2004, at 22:08, Euric wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well anyway, when the dollar crashes (and it
> will, it is only a matter 
> >>> of
> >>> time), can we hope that a bankrupt nation will
> wake up and realise that
> >>> only through metrication can this nation prosper
> again?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
>  

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