At 21 September 2005, 01:52 AM, Philip S Hall wrote:
Jim Elwell wrote:
And, to be sure, nothing ever posted on this forum has convinced me we "need" to do it quickly, since such posts never address the costs of metricating.

Have you considered Jim, the suggestion, which I think has been mentioned before, that metricating slowly makes it more expensive?


(apologies for the length of this)


(1) The question as you phrase it cannot be answered, largely because it treats a huge country with 15 million business and tens of thousands of government agencies and 300 million citizens as a homogeneous whole. More expensive to whom? What if metricating fast saves money for one group but costs another group? What if metricating fast saves everyone money, but the costs are borne by a small group? etc.

Noting that the question is more complex than presented, here is my answer:

(2) Start with Pat Naughtin's article
http://www.metricationmatters.com/articles.html

Notice the list of questions under his first question. Who knows the answer to these? Well, NO ONE knows the answers. Furthermore, they are asked largely to illustrate there are costs to NOT metricating. However, there are also many questions one could ask that illustrate that there are costs TO metricate. For example:

(a) How much money is lost by obsoleting perfectly good tools and equipment that cannot be adapted for metric purposes?

(b) How much money is lost as non-metric parts for maintaining equipment become harder to find and more costly?

(c) How much money is spent metricating a product and related equipment when there is no benefit to doing so (e.g., food isn't any more nutritions in kilograms than pounds).

The point here is that there are costs TO metricate and costs to NOT metricate. And no one in the world knows what those costs are.

(2) There is a widely-believed economic fallacy that was debunked 150 years ago, but still persists, that money spent for "good" things is always a net gain. It is most commonly seen after a disaster such as Katrina, when economically-ignorant reporters say something like "The rebuilding will be great for the economy!"

With just a bit of reflection you can see this is utterly foolish. Would anyone suggest tearing down houses and buildings just to improve the economy?

Way back in 1850 the great French economist and politician, Frederick Bastiat, wrote an article entitled "That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen," which showed this "spending to rebuild" to be entirely foolish. You can read it at http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html.

What you will see in the article is that money spent to metricate MUST come from something else, and only if we compare the costs to metricate versus the savings of doing so can we possibly know if and when we should metricate. Merely looking at the savings, regardless of how large they are, is not enough.

(3) So, if the information needed to make the decision (costs to metricate, costs to not metricate) is unknown and unknowable, how do we decide when to metricate?

At this point I have to divide the question into two pieces: public metrication (e.g., road signs, government operations) and private metrication (e.g., business and individuals).

PUBLIC: I'm perfectly happy letting public metrication be determined by the political process. It's tiresome, messy, often corrupt, etc., but it is the system we have. If the pro-metricationists can gain enough influence to get road signs metricated, that is fine by me.

And, as I have pointed out many times, if we simply metricated the US government, which is the world's largest single purchaser of goods and services, that would provide tremendous incentive for private businesses to metricate, so they could keep selling to the government.

Where there is a significant role for the government in terms of public safety (e.g., drugs, highways, airlines), let the political process take care of it.

(Oh, obviously related, laws largely intended to prevent fraud (e.g., FPLA) should not prohibit metric units.)

PRIVATE: the only moral solution, coherent with the precepts of freedom to use one's property as one sees best, is to let private individuals decide how and when to metricate their businesses and lives. The only exception I would make is noted above (public safety).

For the vast majority of the 15 or so million businesses in the country, let them decide when and how to metricate. They know far better than anyone what their individual circumstances are: how much will they save by metricating? how much will it cost to metricate?

Manufacturers such as my own company have thousands and millions of dollars of "tooling" and capital equipment. Let each one decide when to metricate, based on the savings and costs of doing so, so as to maximize the benefit (or minimize the net loss) of doing so.

If you read the editorial I had published in a couple of engineering journals, you will see I make the point that the sooner a company starts metricating, the fewer legacy products they will have to deal with down the road. Using my own company as an example: back around 1990 or so we decided to start metricating. 15 years later we are still selling products designed pre-metrication, but they are slowly dropping in volume. We have largely replaced our non-metric tooling (calipers, taps, drill bits, etc.) with metric ones. We still have hundreds of pre-metrication drawings that are active, but every year we have fewer.

If we had been forced to entirely metricate back around 1990, I am sure it would have cost us a huge amount of money which we did not have to spend by doing it over time.

As the pressure to metricate increases, each business owner will be weighing the costs of metricating versus the costs of not metricating. At some point they say "oh, it will be cheaper to metricate," and will do so. Any outsider setting the timeline ensures it is NOT done at the best time, given all the factors involved.


To summarize: for any outside party to simply mandate metrication will almost guarantee a MORE expensive metrication process, since no one knows all the billions of things affected by the metrication process, while further imposing government regulation onto how private parties can run their lives.

Not a very good deal, in my book.

Jim Elwell


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