Jon:
.....There are two numbers, pi and the Brij fraction. They are different.
Thanks, we agree to disagree!
Can you cite ANY example, where my value does not fit the calculations? Why
THINK of using Pi to '7 or 10, or any decimal points'. Just use the fraction
a/b=100000/41831, which repeats all by itself....; and call THIS Pi - the
point on number line?
Brij Bhushan Vij
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No, the culprit is not truncation. Pi has a definite value and it is not
your fraction. You are trying to change the value of a mathematical
constant and you do not have the power to do that, any more than you can
change the charge on an electron.
Your statement that "either radian or pi MUST be defined" is completely
wrong. "Pi" is a *name* for a specific number just like "five". Its value
is fixed and not subject to definition (or redefinition). If I ask you how
many times a line the length of the diameter of a circle will fit around
the circumference the answer is "pi" times. Not 3 or 4 or 22/7 or
100000/31831 or 216 or any other quantity, just pi.
Look at the issue this way. There are two numbers, pi and the Brij
fraction. They are different. They cannot be forced to the same value any
more than you can make 7 and 44 the same.
Brij Bhushan Vij wrote:
Jon:
.....as the number of terms (n) grows indefinitely.
So the culprit is TRUNCATION!
Your number is NOT pi.
My value is YET another approximation, like any other value - that satisfy
most solutions.
I do say, if a circle is to have *2 Pi Radians*; either radian or Pi MUST
be defined. If not, how canscience assign Radian a value of 57*17'44".88,
which cab be deduced from MY value.
Brij Bhushan Vij
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Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:44:55 -0500
I am sure you will agree that any arc cut from a circle does have a
definite length. OK, so it is curved rather than straight. That doesn't
matter. Just choose an arc such that the length (of the arc, not the
secant) is the same length as the radius of the circle. Then join the
ends of the arc to the centre with straight lines. The angle so formed
is, by definition, a radian.
A bit (actually quite a lot) of mathematical deduction shows that pi, the
ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter is given by (the
FORTRAN style notation):
sqrt(6 * (1/1**2 + 1/2**2 + 1/3**2 + 1/4**2 + ... + 1/n**2))
as the number of terms (n) grows indefinitely. This series converges on
the value of pi and not on 100000/31831 or any other rational number.
Your number is NOT pi. It is something else. It has no relationship to
the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter other than
being an approximation accurate to about one part in 300 000 - not
terribly close by measurement standards.
The ratio of the circumference to the radius is fixed for all time. It
is not something which you or I or the government of Indiana can change
at will.
Anyway, if you are assuming the power to change the mathematical and
physical properties of the universe, why would you choose a horrible
fraction such as 100000/31831? Why not pick 3.2 or 3.6 instead? They'd
be much nicer.
Brij Bhushan Vij wrote:
Jon:
On the same line, a radian is the angle subtended at the centre of a
circle by an arc equal to the >radius.
HOW do you cut the arc EQUAL to the radius of circle - arc length is
greater than the side cutting it? My value for Pi, in the form
(a/b=100000/31831) is YET another value for Pi that satisfy ALL
operations equally.
Brij Bhushan Vij
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:49:41 -0500
You CANNOT arbitrarily declare the value of pi to be 100000/31831 no
matter how convenient you might think it would be. The mathematics
just doesn't work like that. It is like saying the square root of 2 is
exactly 1.4.
On the same line, a radian is the angle subtended at the centre of a
circle by an arc equal to the radius. You can't redefine that to suit
your purposes either, any more than you can arbitrarily say that a
right angle is a fifth of a full circle.
There is no controversy to discuss.
Brij Bhushan Vij wrote:
Phillip Hall & friends:
I can't quite work this out. If we take the Earth radius as 6371 km,
and assume a perfect sphere, >I get 40030.1735920411 km (rounded to
10 dp) when I multiply 6371 by 2 * pi (using pi = >3.1415926535 ...
from windows calculator)
This small difference is due to the Pi value you use from computer;
and I use MY rationalised value for Pi of ratio: 100000/31831 that
FIXES 'Radian at 57*.2958 =57*17'44".88.
Thus, Earth circumference is 2*Pi*radius =2x100000/31831x6371
=40030.1592786906 (to 10th decimal) Km. I choose THIS value for Pi
since NO OTHER value for Pi defines *either Pi or Radian - eaxactly*.
This is a deviation of 0.01431335051535 (or 14.3133505 cm).
I have discussed Pi controversy at length, and my views are stored in
the archieves. The point is its TRUNCATION that evaluate ANY two
values differently.
Regards,
Brij Bhushan Vij
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