FWIW, it has been customary for quite some time for DoD contracts to record timekeeping in 6 minute or 0.1 hours on time cards.
marion moon ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:14:48 PM PST From: "Martin Vlietstra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]>Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [USMA:35910] Re: decimal time John, I can back up what you wrote. In 1985 I was on a contract where I was required to clock in and out on a clock that recorded my times in hours and decimals of an hour. Regards Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 2:20 AM Subject: [USMA:35894] Re: decimal time > > The question I raise is not of AN IDEA but *devlopment of a THEME, I have > > Since nothing on my site was based upon your work, nor was Mr. Yoder's site > based upon your work, and since the idea was not original to you, you are > deserving no credit. The idea you are claiming credit for was in the public > domain for centuries, so you cannot claim it as yours. There is nothing > else about your "theme" except that one idea. There is no mention of > "Linear standard" or Indus civilization or pi repeating after 5244 decimal > places, or Kali V-GRhymeCalendar, or Metre New or New Yard, etc. > > > It definitely is NOT the question of 'who or when was an individual born' > > It is, if the idea you are claiming possession of was published before your > birth! > > > BUT that who was the first investigator to INVEST his lifetime & resources > > You certainly were NOT the "first investigator" to come up with this idea. > As I have already demonstrated at http://tinyurl.com/9xaxo , a French > commission under Poincaré considered exactly the same idea in the 1890s. > Many others have used decimal hours since then. Whatever other ideas may be > included in your "theme", this one idea, the decimal division of the hour, > is not original to you. > > Read the link I posted, which states that "On 7 April 1897" a French > commission decided on "keeping the twenty-four-hour clock and decimalizing > the hour into 100 minutes with each minute split into 100 seconds." How can > you be "the first investigator" to come up with this when it happened in > 1897? Were you on that commission, sir? Are you over 120 years old? Are > you French? If not, then you are using the ideas of others, without giving > THEM credit! > > -- > John Hynes > www.decimaltime.org > 2006 Jan. 28.096 UT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brij Bhushan Vij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:53 AM > Subject: RE: [USMA:35873] Re: decimal time > > > > John Hynes: > >>.....If you believe that I am violating your copyright, then you need to > >>contact a lawyer and sue >me. You will lose. I will NOT give you credit > >>that you do not deserve. > > The question I raise is not of AN IDEA but *devlopment of a THEME, I have > > persued for almost 35 years: from Time/Calendar Metrication to > > 'investigation that led me to physical dimensions of Indus Culture' and my > > contributions that belong to *history and its research*. > >>>>>I agree that Foder is not the first person to come up with the > >>>>idea, but > >>>>neither are you, and I think it is highly unlikely that he got the idea > >>>>from > >>>>you. I find it offensive that you claim credit for the ideas of others > >>>>who > >>>>died before you were even born! > > It definitely is NOT the question of 'who or when was an individual born' > > BUT that who was the first investigator to INVEST his lifetime & resources > > as 'a convinced motivator to lead and bring out RESULTS to show > > 'misleading > > myths' for POSITIVE contribution to science & society. > > I attach my contributed document "Linear Standard in the Indus > > Civilization > > published in > > FRONTIERS OF THE INDUS CIVILIZATION > > (Sir Mortimer Wheeler Commemoration Volume) by > > Indian Archeological Society > > And > > Indian History and Culture Society, New Delhi. > > You may have reluctance BUT would like to upload THIS document, and my > > several contributions at Victor's <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> site, on > > your > > site giving due credit. > > Sincerly, > > Brij Bhushan Vij > > (Wednesday, Kali 5106-W41-03)/D-027 (Friday, 2006 January > > 27H11:89(decimal) > > ET > > Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda > > Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 > > Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 > > (365th day of Year is World Day) > > ******As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendar****** > > 2108 Henry Court, MAHWAH NJ 07430 (USA) > > Telephone: +001(201)684-0191 > > > > > >>From: "John Hynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]> > >>Subject: [USMA:35873] Re: decimal time > >>Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:05:18 -0800 > >> > >>I did not upload data from an unknown source. I got it from his web page. > >>I have only one line referring to him on my site: > >> > >>"Jesse Yoder's Flowtime proposes dividing hours into 100 decimal minutes, > >>each minute being 36 SI seconds long, but divided into 100 decimal > >>seconds, > >>each 0.36 SI seconds long." > >> > >>There is a hyperlink in that sentence to his web site at > >>http://www.flowresearch.com/Flowtime/flowtime.htm. I do not know why you > >>cannot click on it. It's also on my links page. There you can find > >>further information, including an e-mail link. I do not know anything > >>more > >>about this person. I have hundreds of links on my site, and I do not know > >>the authors of most of them. > >> > >>However, I do know that this sentence is not copyrighted by you, because > >>this exact type of decimal time was in use before you were even born. You > >>cannot copyright something that is in the public domain. Decimal hours > >>are > >>used by many organizations already, and go back at least to the 19th > >>century. However, it's such an obvious idea that I do not doubt that both > >>you and he thought of it independently, and I'm pretty certain that he > >>never heard of you. Either way, you cannot claim copyright on ideas > >>already in the public domain. This one idea is not original and you not > >>deserve any credit. I have already given you proof of this. > >> > >>If you believe that I am violating your copyright, then you need to > >>contact > >>a lawyer and sue me. You will lose. I will NOT give you credit that you > >>do not deserve. > >> > >>-- > >>John Hynes > >>www.decimaltime.org > >>2006 Jan. 27.003 UT > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Brij Bhushan Vij" > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> > >>Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:07 PM > >>Subject: RE: [USMA:35766] Re: decimal time > >> > >> > >>>John Hynes: > >>>>I do not possess any contact information for him. > >>>This is highly UNLIKELY that you uploaded data/information from an > >>>unknown > >>>source. > >>>My search on Jesse Yoder led me into NO MAN's world - Is he/she an > >>>imaginary charcter? > >>> "RootsWeb: YODER-L Re: [YODER] Jesse Yoder > >>>Subject: Re: [YODER] Jesse Yoder Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:25:49 EDT. I'm > >>>not > >>>sure if this is the same Jesse Yoder that I'm looking for. Do you ... > >>>archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/YODER/2002-05/1022689549 - 4k - Cached - > >>>Similar pages > >>>FindArticles search for ""Jesse Yoder"" > >>>View 5 profiles and email results for Jesse Yoder at Reunion.com Jesse > >>>Yoder - > >>>age 22, Colon MI. Jesse Yoder - age 20, Turlock CA. Jesse Yoder - age 20, > >>>... > >>>www.findarticles.com/p/ search?tb=art&qt=%22Jesse+Yoder%22 - 29k - Cached > >>>- Similar pages > >>>FindArticles search for ""Jesse Yoder"" > >>>Jesse Yoder - age 20, Turlock CA, Kealakehe High School and more at > >>>Reunion.com. > >>>... Find jesse yoder and more at Lycos Search. No clutter, just answers. > >>>... > >>>www.findarticles.com/p/ search?qt=%22Jesse+Yoder%22&qf=qa3739 - 31k - > >>>Cached - Similar pages > >>>[Your search - > >>>cache:45cn2tf4KgQJ:www.findarticles.com/p/search?qt=%22Jesse+Yoder%22&qf= qa3739 > >>>Jesse Yoder - did not match any documents. > >>>Suggestions: > >>>• Make sure all words are spelled correctly. > >>>• Try different keywords. > >>>• Try more general keywords. > >>>• Try fewer keywords. ]" > >>>I am aware that COPYRIGHT protection is granted for the lifetime of > >>>AUTHOR > >>>plus 70 years, after which it becomes public property - like my works of > >>>*Investigative nature* on Mohenjo-Daro & Indus Civilisation. > >>>I reacall having posted my longer document, which I think I also uploaded > >>>at Victor's site as: > >>>http://www.the-light.com/cal/bbv_IndiaContributes.doc > >>>Kindly accord accredition to my works on your site, and help locate Jesse > >>>Yoder - the ONE you quoted at your site: <www.decimaltime.org> > >>> > >>>Brij Bhushan Vij > >>>(Tuesday, Kali 5106-W41-02)/D-026(Thursday, 2006 January 26H > >>>17:11(decimal) ET > >>>Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda > >>>Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 > >>>Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 > >>>(365th day of Year is World Day) > >>>******As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendar****** > >>>2108 Henry Court, MAHWAH NJ 07430 (USA) > >>>Telephone: +001(201)684-0191 > >>> > >>> > >>>>From: "John Hynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]> > >>>>Subject: [USMA:35766] Re: decimal time > >>>>Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:10:11 -0800 > >>>> > >>>>First of all, I have no connection to Jesse Foder or his proposals. I > >>>>merely have a link to his site, as well as dozens of other web sites. > >>>>If > >>>>you wish to contact him, you should go to his web site and click on the > >>>>email link there. I do not possess any contact information for him. > >>>> > >>>>Secondly, you cannot copyright anything that is in the public domain. > >>>>You > >>>>did not invent decimalized hours, because they have been since at least > >>>>the > >>>>19th century, and are currently used by many organizations around the > >>>>world. > >>>>It is such an obvious idea that it has been thought of by many different > >>>>people. As documented in Einstein's Clocks, Poincare's Maps: Empires of > >>>>Time by Peter Louis Galison, in the 1890s a French commission studied > >>>>the > >>>>decimalization of times and circumference, and proposed dividing the > >>>>standard hour into 100 minutes, each of 100 seconds. See > >>>>http://tinyurl.com/9xaxo (you must have or sign up for a free Google > >>>>account > >>>>to read it) > >>>> > >>>>I agree that Foder is not the first person to come up with the idea, but > >>>>neither are you, and I think it is highly unlikely that he got the idea > >>>>from > >>>>you. I find it offensive that you claim credit for the ideas of others > >>>>who > >>>>died before you were even born! You have no rights and deserve no > >>>>credit. > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>John Hynes > >>>>www.decimaltime.org > >>>>2006 Jan. 21.123 UT > >>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Brij Bhushan Vij" > >>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 8:38 AM > >>>>Subject: RE: [USMA:35750] Re: decimal time > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>John Hynes & friends: > >>>>>I recently visited your Home Page and went to Jesse Foder's Flow Time > >>>>>Clock > >>>>>page. I obsrve this as *infringment upon my Copyrighted works* since > >>>>>there > >>>>>has been NO CREDIT granted to me or my contributions. > >>>>>My communication to Chairman, New York Academy of Science (Dr.Torsten > >>>>>Wiesel) of 2002 May 07 refers (see attachment). Kindly provide me > >>>>>updated > >>>>><url linking credits to my works>. Please visit: > >>>>>http://www.the-light.com/cal/ (under bbv_....) and > >>>>>http://homepage.ntlworld.com/genesis.revealed/ebook/ (also, Calendar > >>>>>section > >>>>>of Parent Directory) > >>>>>I shall appreciate a note from the AUTHOR, Jesse Yoder & his/her > >>>>>address > >>>>>for > >>>>>contacting. > >>>>>Thanking you, > >>>>>Brij Bhushan Vij > >>>>>(Wednesday, Kali 5106-W40-03)/D-020(Friday, 2006 January > >>>>>20H11:63(decimal) > >>>>>ET > >>>>>Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda > >>>>>Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 > >>>>>Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 > >>>>>(365th day of Year is World Day) > >>>>>******As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendar****** > >>>>>2108 Henry Court, MAHWAH NJ 07430 (USA) > >>>>>Telephone: +001(201)684-0191 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>From: "John Hynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>Subject: [USMA:35750] Re: decimal time > >>>>>>Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:20:50 -0800 > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Some of these terms already have other meanings. For instance: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>the metric mile = 1500 metres exactly (see > >>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_mile ) > >>>>>>the metric foot = 30 cm exactly (see > >>>>>>http://www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/units/length.htm ) > >>>>>> > >>>>>>There have been proposals for other metrified English units: > >>>>>>the metric inch = 25 mm exactly > >>>>>>the metric yard = 900 mm exactly > >>>>>>the metric chain = 20 m exactly > >>>>>>the metric furlong = 200 m exactly > >>>>>>(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrified_English_unit ) > >>>>>> > >>>>>>-- > >>>>>>John Hynes > >>>>>>www.decimaltime.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Naughtin" > >>>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:40 PM > >>>>>>Subject: [USMA:35748] Re: decimal time > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>Dear Phil, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Thanks for your analysis, below. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>This is why I refer to the post-1959 measures as: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>the metric inch = 25.4 millimetres exactly, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>the metric foot = 304.8 millimetres exactly, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>the metric yard = 914.4 millimetres exactly, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>the metric chain = 20.116 8 metres exactly, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>the metric furlong = 201.16 8 metres exactly, and > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>the metric mile = 1 609.344 metres exactly. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I do this because I find that their descriptively accurate title, > >>>>>>>'post-1959 > >>>>>>>measures with quaint old pre-metric names' too cumbersome. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Cheers, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Pat Naughtin > >>>>>>>PO Box 305 Belmont 3216 > >>>>>>>Geelong, Australia > >>>>>>>61 3 5241 2008 > >>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>http://www.metricationmatters.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>This email and its attachments are for the sole use of the addressee > >>>>>>>and > >>>>>>>may > >>>>>>>contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. > >>>>>>>This > >>>>>>>email and its attachments are subject to copyright and should not be > >>>>>>>partly > >>>>>>>or wholly reproduced without the consent of the copyright owner. Any > >>>>>>>unauthorised use of disclosure of this email or its attachments is > >>>>>>>prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please immediately > >>>>>>>delete > >>>>>>>it > >>>>>>>from your system and notify the sender by return email. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>On 20/01/06 10:13 AM, "Philip S Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>It is interesting to note that not only is a yard defined as 0.9144 > >>>>>>>>>m > >>>>>>>>>but > >>>>>>>>>the inch is not defined as 1/36 of a yard but as 25.4 mm (exactly). > >>>>>>>>>Therefore, customary measures are all defined by metric ones and > >>>>>>>>>not > >>>>>>>>>in > >>>>>>>>>relation to each other. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>If you do the arithmetic you will find that: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>0.0254 * 12 = 0.3048, > >>>>>>>>36 * 0.0254 = 3 * 0.3048 = 0.9144 > >>>>>>>>0.9144 * 1760 = 1 609.344 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>all being exact with no rounding. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Hence: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>(a) 1 in = 0.0254 m, 1 ft = 12 in > >>>>>>>>(b) 1 ft = 0.3048 m, 1 in = 1/12 ft > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Are equivalent statements, as are > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>(c) 1 ft = 0.3048 m, 1 yd = 3 ft > >>>>>>>>(d) 1 yd = 0.9144 m, 1 ft = 1/3 yd > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>and so on. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Hence to define linear imperial measures all that is requires is the > >>>>>>>>absolute size of one of them (e.g. 1 yd = 0.9144 m) , and then state > >>>>>>>>the > >>>>>>>>ratios between all the others. True enough we usually do see the > >>>>>>>>absolute > >>>>>>>>sizes tabulated rather than the ratios but it doesn't alter > >>>>>>>>anything. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>The real bombshell (if they only but knew it) is the use of that > >>>>>>>>word > >>>>>>>>"exact" in relation to the figures 0.0254, 0.3048, ... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>When it comes to the real world there is no such thing as "exact". > >>>>>>>>All > >>>>>>>>measurements have a tolerance however small it may be. Hence > >>>>>>>>imperial > >>>>>>>>measures are *tied* to metric by an abstract idealised relationship. > >>>>>>>>Imperial can have no independent physical definition of its own on > >>>>>>>>that > >>>>>>>>basis. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Phil Hall > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > >
