You have already been told to drop it.
You have already posted private emails of two individuals to this board,
which is out of order.
I hope that this final -condensed- perspective will stop this any further
(there's no need to respond to the list, but if you need to please just do
it to me personally and only personally).
So, finally:-
1) Technically a pint glass can have either 'imperial' or 'imperial and
metric' written on it, but...
2) In practice/reality (and using the knowledge of an official who's had
years of experience in the matter) this practice does not happen.
There are many circumstances where, if you read the fine print of the law,
practices can be declared legal. This does not mean all those practices are
executed all the time or at any time.
I hope that makes sense - it took me ages to translate what I was thinking
into as few words as possible! ;-)
All the above supercedes any other opinion I have expressed on the matter
because, being human, my opinion can change or evolve (albeit subtley and
very slightly) as more and more evidence and information comes my way. It's
called "learning more".
So, .....moving on?
From: "Stephen Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Stephen Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]>
Subject: [USMA:36075] Dual measurements on pints.
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:31:35 -0000
I'd like Stephen Humphrey's to clear up the confusion over this subject.
On Feb 6th, he stated that dual measurements on pint glasses were illegal
under any circumstances.
Then on Feb 9, he appeared to say that dual measurements were probably
legal on pint glasses after all.
Just so he can't claim he has been quoted out of context, I include fuller
paragraphs below:
Stephen Humphrey's Feb 6:
"I had to wait until I got a response from a TSO I know before making the
following claim.
"It is ***illegal*** to have glasses marked as "568ml" for beer/ale/cider
in
pubs. You cannot even have a dual label (imperial/metric).
Personally I can't see the harm in having litre steins etc if the market
calls for it so I'm hardly going to celebrate that 'ml' marked glasses are
illegal.
But on this ocassion I can only 'celebrate' over a Pint of cider ;-)"
Philip S. Hall Feb 9:
"I too have made enquiries about this and the advice I have received is as
follows:
"The "pint" indication is mandatory. However the law doesn't explicitly ban
supplementarry metric indications. There is a principle in British law that
if something is not prohibited then it is allowed. In the event that
glasswear was submitted for approval for use in trade bearing both metric
and imperial it would only be rejected if the extra information made it
unclear such that it could be misread for example as meaning "1 pint + 568
ml".
"I can't think of any reason why a glass manufacturer would bother about
the
metric label unless there is a market for thier products in other countries
where they can be used but metric is required.
"In conclusion therefore we can rule out glasses that just say "568 ml" but
we can't rule out "PINT" ... "568 ml"
Stephen Humphrey's Feb 9:
"Yes I agree, and the TSO I spoke to mentioned the fact that you can have
dual labelling - but I did not raise this as he also said that in his
career
he had not seen such a thing - probably following the reasons that you
cite."
I concede that there is still no hard evidence of the existence of metric
markings on pint glasses; however, on Feb 6 you ruled out the possibility
completely, then three days later, you concede it's a possibility that dual
markings are probably legal after all.
Which is it, Steve? You can't have it both ways. They are totally illegal
or they are not.
It's a simple enough question.
Regards,
Steve.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
