Since Procter & Gamble are committed to metrication, perhaps we could persuade them (in the interests of cost-saving and preventing dosage errors) to only provide the milliliter markings on the measuring cups supplied with NyQuil, DayQuil, and Pepto-Bismol.  Any user who couldn't read "Take 30 milliliters" and measure out that amount as marked on the cup shouldn't be allowed to have a drivers license to drive to the pharmacy or grocery store.
 
--  Jason
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Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 1:29 PM
Subject: [USMA:37221] Re: Ambiguous ounces used on TSA web-site.

We have the same little cups here, except that they are usually "conveniently" dual labeled in both ml and teaspoons/tablespoons.  Although sometimes the "complicated, foreign metric stuff" is missing, and it's just good ole' USC measurements. Dosage information for OTC cough medicines and such are usually specified in tsp/tbsp.
 
We still give people every excuse to not learn what a 5 ml amount.  Yep, we still have a ways to go.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Vlietstra
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 16:07
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:37219] Re: Ambiguous ounces used on TSA web-site.

I don't know about the US, but in the UK people have no excuse for not knowing what a 5 ml measure is - medicines are usually dispensed with a 5 ml spoon, and one cough remedy that I sometimes take has a measuring cup that fits snugly over the lid of the bottle.  The cup has measures for 5, 10, 15 and 20 ml. 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 2:41 PM
Subject: [USMA:37215] Re: Ambiguous ounces used on TSA web-site.

From your "USMA pharmacist" (grin);
 
Not entirely true, Scott. For over-the-counter oral liquidsThe trend has certainly been towards metric, but when the rubber hits the road, it still comes out to be in fluid ounces in the U.S..  The solution concentrations are exclusively metric, and the doses recommended in the professional literature are described in milliliters, but there is a heinous disconnect once the doctor has his/her prescription pad available and begins to write. There, the quantity of liquid becomes fluid ounces, and the dose to be measured is almost always in teaspoonsful and tablespoonsful.  This practice comes from a long-standing tradition in the U.S. that the prescriber shall write oral liquid in the units with which the patient is presumed to be familiar. In pharmacy school in the 1970s, I was taught to convert the prescribed 5 mL, or the prescribed one fluid dram, to one teaspoonful.  Another old tradtion, which has been unaffected by metrication of the U.S. pharmaceutical industry, is that retail pharmaceuticals are sold in avoirdupois units.  I'm not sure about what maintains this situation (perhaps Ms. Gentry of NIST might know), but maybe the FPLA metric-only option amendment, once passed, will give the drug makers pause and let them join Dasani water in making rational metric sizes of, let's say, 120 mL bottles of Robitussin cough syrup or 250 mL bottles of NyQuil.
 
On the Drug Facts panels of most over-the-counter oral liquids, you will find a "5 mL teaspoonful" mentioned, and even just "5 mL." But, in their gut, the American people do not yet have a grasp of what just plain old, unretouched "five milliliters" really is. They don't reach for a measuring tube to measure oral liquids. Heaven knows what they reach for!! Many people probably swig Robitussin like they would Cutty Sark.
 
This tradition of prescribing oral liquid medications has not even yielded to a 1995 U.S. Pharmacopoeia directive abolishing the apothecary system of measurement in U.S. healthcare. It must be dealt with by the major healthcare forces,by  the Insitute for Safe Medication Practices (ISMP), and by a massive public education campaign, and by one pharmacist who has been shouting in the metrological wilderness for 32 years.
 
Incidentally, TSA's recent about-face on prescription-only vs. over-the-counter liquids in carry-ons probably came about when legions of angry passengers charged the TSA supervisor with the battle cry, "But, my doctor told me to us this!! I've gotta have it!!"
 
 
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Sent: 06 Aug 15,Tuesday 21:29
Subject: [USMA:37211] Ambiguous ounces used on TSA web-site.

Strange that the TSA lists allowed medications in ounces, when they are dispensed and labeled in metric only (even in the US).



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Scott Hudnall

San Francisco, CA USA

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