On 2007 Apr 26 , at 3:31 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (quoting me):
  One pound of mass is defined as the mass whose
  weight force is 1 pound of force.
False.
One pound of mass is *defined* as 0.453 592 233 7 kilogram, exactly, *independent* of gravity. (i.e."avoirdupois" pound)

Yes, Gene is correct.

I should not have used the word "defined". I was trying to suggest how the concept of a "pound-mass" could be explained to someone who was familiar with the pound as a unit of weight (the pound-force).

I should have said that:
"One pound of mass IS EQUAL TO that mass which has a weight of one pound-force."

It is true (I believe) that the pound of force is defined as the weight of a pound mass (and the pound mass is defined in terms of the kilogram of mass as, Gene said). I just turned this definition around, in an effort to make it match the way I was describing other relationships in my message. Turning it around might have been OK for an equivalence but it is incorrect for a definition.

Thus, it is possible to refer to the EQUIVALENCE of "pound-mass" and "the mass of something that has a weight of one pound-force" either way (if A=B, then B=A; it's equal either way). However, it is not correct to reverse the order of a definition since such definitions indicates which is more fundamental and which other thing is defined in terms of the more fundamental one. Reversing a definition constitutes and error in understanding which one is based on which.

Thanks to Gene for catching my slip-up and correcting it.


Regards,
Bill Hooper
Fernandina Beach, Florida, USA

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